Think it depends on the level of tryharding.
If it’s someone learning a hero tryharding their best to see how far they can push it in QP whilst they learn that’s one thing
Going full 5 hero meta for the sake of a free win outside of comp. There’s some lovely grass to go and touch with your name on it.
they’re all video games, what matters is having fun. what matters isn’t winning, but how you win, otherwise why play your favorite character instead of the best characters, why get skins and cosmetics that you like and in fact why not just stick to competitive mode where you know everyone will have the play to win mindset
Best character is subjective and usually based on situation, and winning is the only thing that matters… I don’t play my favorite character I play the hero that i need to play to win… If i am wrong then why is there last minute bastion swaps, or pharmercy swaps if winning doesn’t matter as you say, or the zarya swap when orisa or d.va is on the field?
So then your answer is yes then you think Winning is more important in a video game then having fun. that tells me all that i need to know. You don’t know what video games are all about. they’re about fun. Period. a game’s quality is defined by how fun it is. and no I’m not going to go play a single player or coop game because i like playing against other players, not competing against them. unfortunately people like you can’t tell the difference between that and make it quite difficult to just relax and have fun in something like say smash bros.
I don’t care about meta-gaming. It gets too sterile/boring too quickly.
Tryharding/sweating? I never really understood the complaint or the concept. I try to rise to level that the match elevates too. High or low.
If everyone on both sides wants to emote and spam voice-lines on the point, I’m there, that’s fun.
If the enemy Hog wants to hook me, say “hi” and let me go, I /wave and say “thanks”. That’s fun.
If the entire enemy wants to try and dive and kill me, I try to survive, and it’s a great challenge…which is fun.
Relaxed goofy games are good. Intense focused games are good.
IMHO, people that complain about not liking one or the other, just need to make their own group to play the style of game they like most. Otherwise, flexibility is key.
I think the real problem is people trying to tell other people how they should have fun in a video game. If you don’t want to hear someone making hardcore call outs constantly mute them. But, never get mad at someone for playing the game. Just like if you’re in qp the tryhards shouldn’t get mad at you for messing around. If you want to play more casually, then enjoy that. But, any fps game you play, will always have people “try harding.” Just learn to have fun around them.
What even is “tryharding”? What is “fun”? And why would I have a lesser right to fun than others?
Fun for me is, regardless of game mode, trying my best, doing well, and ultimately succeeding. I NEVER comm in QP and often turn off comms entirely when it’s toxic. I just try my best, play my heroes, and swap when the match calls for it.
I tend to get a lot of hate for “tryharding”. Why? Cuz it’s a game and I wanna win the game?
So I ask again, why would I have a lesser right to fun than others?
In the general sense you can have the tryhard attitude fit into a lot of single or multiplayer game modes.
There’s nothing wrong about playing to win.
In games like this and others that have a casual mode to play how you want since wins and losses don’t matter is kinda where some get a bit extra.
Out of thousands of ow 1 and ow 2 Mystery Hero matches luckily I have only had 2 encounters of ridiculous try hards.
Even one typing “we need a healer”
That right there says it all that some tryhards can’t turn that mentality off showing that even understand the rule set of the mode they are playing.
You can call them out on it. We as an entire team roasted the dude on mic, but try hards don’t let the facts get in the way of their ,“this is how we win” argument.
Some people can be reasoned with to chill and respect the vibe of the match.
Others are just mentally wired win at all cost and go full baby if you lose. You can’t argue with people like that.
Treat em like a toddler. Ignore them and let them get tired crying themselves to sleep
well that’s the thing. people can’t. it’s hard to have fun in QP if there’s say an enemy widow on the enemy team sniping everyone and sweating nor is it fun to get spawned camped by a sombra as supportll. it’s also not fun. having to swap off my favorite character because they aren’t good enough forbthe situation. and if you’re gonna say that’s overwatch, I’ll tell you right now It shouldn’t be. Because no one likes not being able to play their favorite characters or getting stomped. No one
The developers take “tryharding” always into consideration when it’s relevant to the game be it a game with any competitive aspect to it or a game like WoW where that isn’t necessarily the case but needs it for balancing purposes. That’s because they’re fulfilling how the game is supposed to be played to a higher degree. Their endgoal is something very simplistic like winning or winning harder, instead of it being something complicated and vague like “I just want to have fun in this very particular individual way that I personally enjoy it because…” and they leave the complicated stuff for what it’s supposed to be left at: the gameplay itself. Simplifying the endgoal and leaving the complicated stuff to following the ladder to that endgoal is the way these games are designed anyways
You want to have a casual experience? There’s a hundred thousand games for you out there. You have to pick the game for your preferences if you don’t want to be unreasonable when these things don’t match. You can go have casual fun in minecraft, stardew valley or any other game instead of that one game where playing it casually backfires on you. Otherwise it’s just damaging yourself
i could play these games just a few years ago casually, didn’t have to worry about running meta builds for raids or playing my character the most optimal way during the peaks of overwatch 1. nor in Halo Reach or Black ops 1 and 2. so what happened from then and now.
You can still do that in casual guilds for raids. All the good ones inspected you just like they do today. Nothing’s changed
If by peak OW you mean the first year: that doesn’t count
And the rest are casual games so
It is just an excuse people use when you beat them at this game. Even if you say absolutely nothing. Clean duels or victories are not allowed. This generation of gamers is pretty fragile.
if somebody appear they’re new or requests they want me to go easy on them, then there’s no problem. otherwise i’ll play my best “try harding/sweating” whatever like in most contexts
last week i matched against two parents who asked my team to go easy on their 5 year old Sigma. it’s simply not that big of a deal to discreetly lose against that… or… hold on a sec… did i lose on purpose or, was i, actually struggling…
yeah that’s right there are, in order to solve the issue they litterally had to avoid the sweaty players by making there own guilds and also let’s get rid of this idea that overwatch as whole is competitive. it’s not. At least not qp and arcade. if it was then OWL, the peak of the competitive scene wouldn’t have been such a flop
What a horrible and toxic mentality to have towards players literally gathering together instead of avoiding others. Players join them so they can belong to a community rather than just be nobodies out there in the open world. There’s also casual pugs and stuff too. Sheesh…
so then how does a casual guild remain casual if not by avoiding the sweatier parts of the playerbase. the same way competitive and serious guilds stay competitive, by avoiding the casual part of the playerbase. I never said it’s a problem that they exist. it’s a problem when they end up making something that isn’t very competitive into a sweatfest when it very clearly wasn’t meant to be
Winning is fun, why do you think there were so many leavers in QP when they are losing that Blizzard had to do something, or people whining about matchmaking?
By having the guild be casual. Our guild has tryhards and mega casuals. We blend in nicely because the guild is openly casual so those tryharding do it for themselves without having expectations for others. And we don’t have some strict guidelines on this. We’re just ~60 randoms playing the game together
Well OW is openly competitive as the devs have said, even regarding QP with the penalties and them explaining why the penalties work like that
None of this is relevant though. You need to find a casual environment yourself if you wanna enjoy one as was already pointed out. Play any of the hundreds of thousands of casual games; or play arcade for that matter. That concludes the whole issue
here’s the thing the places that were casual are now sweaty and competitive too. I remember when QP was the place to mess around and do dumb stuff.
I remember the same thing for smash bros. I remember same thing for things like DBD. and then they become sweaty and so yet another casual space becomes competitive again. and if the solution is to Litterally play single player games or i have to form groups of my own ao i cam hand pick who to play with, specifically to avoid them in casual games. then that means that there are barely casual pvp games anymore because of the tryhard mindest that’s so prevelant everywhere. and that’s a problem