The Tracer vs Mcree matchup is rather fair and both can win. It depends on who plays best. Both heroes are somewhat average in strength. I really dont see a problem.
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People who can aim don’t have these mortal problems lol
Playing Bastion feels even worse.
The other day i spotted the Tracer, out of blinks, as i had just entered Sentry Mode, and she somehow one clipped me with one single blink used, in the open, while i fired directly at her, and tracked as well as physically possible on a slow-ish target like her.
(She blinked/moved in kind of a half-circle, so of course probably clipped through my head hitbox, but damn. she was at least 10 meters away. at that range Bastion does nearly nothing to her hitbox. minus the chance for headshots. it’s like fighting a Tracer, as Tracer, but you can’t move, and it’s her turn with the headshots.)
It’s physically impossible to fight a smart Tracer now.
The whole idea behind this is stupid AF
otherwise…
I’m missing some hard counters, you know, those that Delete another hero without effort.
And Don’t even dare me to tell me that it will require aim.
a Phara needs to die bc I played hero X, or what do you mean by Counter on his own
a McCree can kill a tracer
if you tell me it doesn’t count bc he might misses, tell me the phara counter 
In the example tracer kinda sneaks up to McCree or how can i imagine her getting close without getting noticed or shot?
I kinda don’t see how tracer gets close, bc in my scenario, McCree has a brain and knows how to handle his gun.
in your PoV, I’m guessing mccree is afk and his team is busy 5vs5 the objective
Then suddenly a tracer appears next to him, one clipping mccree without a chance to react.
I can understand it, it’s hard to move the mouse when you’re afk in the kitchen making a coffee
Btw to your counter argument.
How is it that phara usually if its not a Let me try a new hero player, pharas usually utterly destroy me on widow.
How am I supposed to play her counter “alone” so no healing from my team. and still die?
So either we buff widow.
Or you accept that you can get outplayed.
As Always:
Tracer is a Top500 god with 3h warmup
McCree is a 5year old Kid trying out a new toy
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that McCree is a hard counter or anything.
It just amazes me that Tracer is always the "Uncounterable force of Destruction* while it’s actually those 3 players in top500 And they are so much better you can be the best GM and lose.
But they would from a flipside, Nail the shots and show the tracer as mccree who’s the boss.
Just always remember, there are players below GM.
And if you say a gm mccree can’t hit a gm tracer
Do you really think a Plat widow will hit a plat phara?
So what?
We nerf Widow etc. bc Top500 can win games.
And we let the 90% playerbase Rot in the dumpster bc tehy have to play heroes like Moira, Reaper, Mei That don’t require insane mechanics to even beat the other heroes?
just bc heroes like phara have to be balanced around Top1 World Widowmakers?
And I have to play Tracer nerfed against a Sick buffed McCree bc Top500 tracers can bait a flashbang?
If it really is unplayable, And I mean this for real…
(even though it’s funny that basically a Top500 complains that he can’t beat another Top500 on another hero, imho just shows: You don’t belong there) but thats something else.
… Why don’t you try to come up with balance suggestions that Won’t even touch players Miles away from the skill level you’re talking about?
Its like all the Nerf Widow threads
Yeah she might be a problem in the top50 games
But she’s utterly garbage trash unplayable in gold bc you just get a monkey on your back and switch.
Balancing the game is not easy, but always thinking it’s the best player on earth on said hero is wrong.
Let me just drop this question
“how many things can a tracer avoid at max with max Skill celling”
basically played by a Computer that does everything right VS a top500 hitscan player. (The Computer tracer doesn’t shoot for the experiment)
I can tell you after 3 shots the CPU is out of Blinks
After 5 shots he basically has 0 cooldowns
6-7 he might avoid Shot Nr. 7 so after the 8. Shot tracer is dead.
And this is with Perfect reactions no human can ever do.
and this is only the Dodge part. mccree basically just throws his mouse around while tracer has to React instantly to avoid the next shot.
Now Add that she might blink into obstacles (but we ignore it)
Tracer needs Perfect accurate tracking while doing this just like mccree
For every Second of shooting, theres a second of downtime where mccree actually is allowed to stand “still”
Considering all this.
It’s earned.
And the best part whe ntalking against tracer is that in Top500 (where we talk about) her counters are basically Trash as far as I’m aware
So wen eed to nerf her bc in GM her counters, Which are basically Meta in lower brackets, are unviable?
I just fail to see why this is any good.
I mean lets say she’s broken
Broken for those 10 players using her to 100%
Why do we punish those amazing players?
Imho
Every hero should have the design philosophy of tracer
No hero should have the Moira threatment
Moira: “Look if you have the Beam connected, you are doing 100% what you can do”
While on tracer; Actually you could have used recall, one clip mercy within 5 enemies, Blink to the hp pack, and disengage over the stairs…
Näh let me Hold RMB
We need more options that do not Limit us in our abilities.
So over, (if) the hero we’re talking about is broken
Then the solution is not nerfing the hero
It’s buffing the other heroes to allow the same kind of skill expression from the player.
I bet you, if every hero had askill celling like tracer, Tank and support wouldn’t be considered Rare.
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Mccree has never once in the history of OW counterd Tracer.
But in fact, he was never intended to. Jeff actually said Tracer is the counter to Mccree. Not the other way around.
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This
Hard to hit shots if players are spamming this constantly and they’re high mobility like Tracer, Genji, Lucio or even Moira and Sym. It makes playing S76 in FFA hard cause those targets can escape quickly before launching a helix rocket.
It did thought me to use helix rockets first before shooting, so I guess that’s good.
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And Tracer doesn’t? Mobility counters aim, and Mobility is something Tracer has in spades. Ignoring of course that every map is riddled with flank routes that allow even the largest characters to flank unseen.
But boy oh boy do I love all the implications that I’m a trash player because I understand how the game works.
Anyone can kill a Tracer. That’s not the point. The point is that when both heroes are played well, no one can kill a Tracer easier than Tracer can kill them. That’s always been her problem.
Counters need to have an inherent advantage over whoever they’re supposed to be countering. Hitscan’s counter pharah because it’s point and click; no travel time to worry about, so as long as you’re accurate you can take her down. Even if you can’t play hitscan, Sombra can Hack pharah out of the sky.
The issue with Tracer is that there is no character with an inherent advantage over her. Not McCree, not anyone. HIgh skill counters do not work in Overwatch. They’re always bad.
Note that I don’t want her nerfed. I think she was a perfectly balanced character, at least until they buffed her range for whatever reason. But the only thing keeping her down now is player skill.
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So… Tracer is broken bc she can predict your shot? And blink?
And the range buff made her op?
There are countless heroes that have a big advantage. Not in a 1v1 but in a team.
Theres moira(in case you really struggle with hitting her) , Immortality field, stun’s, high dmg per shots etc.
if both players are equally skilled
Then they play the same hero. 
But a ashe main on the rank of the tracer probably has way better flicks than the tracer.
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LOL No. He said that McCree does counter Tracer, and he does. It’s just not a delete button and can be outplayed.
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No he really didn’t. He said Mccree can counter bad Tracers but a better Tracer will win.
And maybe in lower ranks, but Mccree has never been played past masters. One of the lowested picked heros in pro play.
So aim center mass and also ad spam and youll win with mcree
McCree is more counterplay to Tracer than an actual counter as he only wins the MU if he is supported. In a one versus one, the Tracer would need to be garbage to lose.
Maybe in low mmr where Mccree can’t aim, but I think for the top 50% McCree still easily kills tracer
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