I get that feeling looking at basically every comment on here. Lit this, fire that, trigger them, etc. Having said, some of the debating techniques used here are regularly used in political debates so who knows, maybe they’re all middle aged and I’m the crazy one…
Thing is, flankers are needed. The issue is the squishy heroes in OW are plagued by bad design when it comes to self defense. Just check Paladins, no support there has issues with flankers because they have a billion tools to outplay them.
homie if anti nade didn’t exist there WOULDN’T be a cleanse ability in the first place. Kiriko exists specifically because of ana.
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Cleanse exists since beginning of overwatch but it was only for heroes as self protection. Reaper can cleanse himself with Wraith Form, Tracer with Recall, Sombra with Translocator, Zarya bubbles, Doom or Zen with their ultimates… Kiriko is just first one that can do it in AoE.
It would also exist without Ana, because blocking stuns, boops and being invincible is strong enough.
Except thats never what it is used before because most stuns are over and one with before she can get it off and there are hardly any stuns even left in the game…
Or, just maybe… You run a zone DPS ult. Hanzo, Torb, etc. Her ult creates a specific area of battle, and you can completely remove it by zoning it.
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Suzu saves you from all forms of slow effects as well, which are part of many ults. like blizzard, terra surge, meteor strike.
It also saves from dva bomb, pulse bomb, sombra hack and cassidys nade.
And timed well it works great against jr tire and sigmas ult.
Additionally it also cleanses jq ult and bleed effects. And ashes dynamite. And reins ult & pin.
Works to save people vs hog hook combo also.
That sounds to me quite a bit of things it is helpful with; wouldnt say she exists just because of ana (nevermind the rest of her kit)
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Once again. Anti nade is now, was before, and always will be the number 1 reason people asked for a cleanse in the first place. Obviously it helps with multiple other things. That does not change the fact that ANTI NADE is the number 1 cause.
No one EVER said “oh mei ult froze me I wish I had a cleanse” or “oh i got shattered sure wish I had a cleanse”. It has always been about ana
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Well i’m quite sure many people who have been cc’d by any form will wish they had a cleanse. ymmv.
When it comes to anti, its good there is counterplay to that. To me its the least interesting part of anas kit.
(I wouldnt be surprised if it goes back to 3s after hog is reworked.)
And the near 1 second immortality on suzu has other good general uses as well just to save people from bad situations etc.
Either way, Kiriko works absolutely great vs other heroes as well.
(also holy hell the draft system in these forums is confusing or gets confused)
I’d give you Torb maybe, but hanzo ult doesn’t last that long and isn’t that wide. Either way it’s going to be very map/choke specific and you can still be melted at range with firerate & cooldown reduction.
It’s really not, and I zone kitsune as Hanzo all the time, you follow it up by SA’ing into it, and you’ve reduced how much of it they are going to be able to use. Torb is a better ult for it sure, but it’s not the end all be all.
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