I feel like in the transition from OW1 to OW2, Echo’s ult has lost a lot of value and now is pretty underwhelming. Copying tank usually made sense since their ultimates are very good but since you get 300hp max now, you just instantly blow up when you copy a tank (Ramattra is the only exception since nemesis gives you +250 armor regardless, Orisa is a bit more survivable too).
Ults build way too slow during duplicate as well in my opinion, I pretty much take the entire duration to get one ult and lots of ults take time to channel to be effective and they just end instantly when duplicate runs out (Annihilation ends instantly, Blizzard disappears, High Noon stops instantly, etc.) so it’s not even that useful should you manage to even get an ultimate considering how much the ult build-up has been nerfed.
Last push game I got 4 duplicates in one match and even tho the enemy team was worse than me, I managed to get two kills with four duplicates. I ulted mid-fight behind my tank but when you duplicate there’s an instant target on your head and 300 hp just isn’t that much (less if you copy a squishie).
I just feel like the ultimate is way too situational at this point and rarely gets value so I would be interested in other people’s opinion, maybe it’s just a skill issue but Echo’s ult is the one I always get the least amount of value out of
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you can’t duplicate bob imo thats bad design
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It is annoying that echo’s ult is so situational. I am trying to get her cute spray, but i am sucky at aiming, even with a reticle for horizontal movement, but even then, when I do get it, i am thinking so much as to who will actually be worth it. Many times, I end up going for the mercy or moira because a third “support” would possibly help for sustaining.
And just after ult is ended, i am scoped out, so i cant get around to a second ult in that life, even when i am zipping around with tapping flight.
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I will say it does feel a bit too slow for the duplicated hero
I’d say unless you’re a flanker or the enemy cannot melt you as an open queue tank, you’ll probably not build any ult charge
Which is why I’ve found dup mercy and rez very convinient
As an extra, don’t duplicate dva if she has ult (lol)
If dva uses self destruct while you’re casting duplicate, it’ll just detransform you and refund the ult
Finished game btw
it’s a bit laughable that the best option for a dps seems to be to just heal during their ult not gonna lie
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I do it because I’m a mercy main and I know how to play her, I can quickly get my ult and use it. But the matter of that “Will I be able to get a second on in this life?”
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It is a surprisingly weak ultimate.
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Her ult is pretty strong compare to other dps ults bar blade.
She is literally invincible during it as long as she is not dumb.
The issue people ulting on echo want a quick cheap ult, instead of thinking of what utility or ability will help us now.
a quick cree sticky elim is worth it more than turning into dva as echo trying to get ult demeching and running as baby/
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I’d be okay with Dupe’s ult cost being lowered a bit. It’s hard to deny that the HP cap was a big nerf and IIRC, Echo has one of the most expensive ultimates out of the DPS class.
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Well ya bobs to powerful for duplicate like have you seen him they had to make him an ult or he would brake the game
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It is tough to use… I think part of the problem is the enemy team is aware of how quickly your ult charges in duplicate form and tend to focus you down.
I do really like the ult as a concept though… feels good when you manage to get some value out of it.
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I just wish that it was a bit more of a viable pick when it comes to picking tanks. It’s just too risky going in with a tank, when you are on 300hp. Say, 400hp instead of 300
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Personally my biggest issue with it is the nerfed her max hp within it when she picks a tank.
It’s like the same issue in open queue or mystery heroes rn as tanks- it’s nigh survivable.
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it’s basically second set of cooldowns pretty bad
They shouldve never messed with the ult charge. Just give every duplicate hero 1 ultimate. Then when the ultimate is finished they revert back to Echo.
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Yeah, it is annoying with some certain heroes, like junkrat. You’re not always gonna be able to get something out of it in the last 5 seconds of the dupe when you a rolling with tyre. it’s just crude
The ult is useless unless you transform into a support.
Having a quick dps ult doesn’t really mean much, you could’ve just played that dps the entire match. And as the new Open Queue modes have shown, tanks with only 300 max HP are completely useless too.
The best option almost every time, is to transform into a support, since they have incredibly powerful abilities and ults.
Don’t duplicate for the heroes. Duplicate for the ults, Even on tanks. If you manage to get an Earthshatter, or a Rampage, that will likely turn the whole fight. But the Tanks themselves won’t
Duplicate is a very situational ult