This video is so true that it hurts lol

[Crissan-1144]

@MaestrPotato-1464

it is the balance patches lol
and who those balance patches are for.

What are you talking about??

@MaestrPotato-1464

it is different kind of “skill”

You said that they didn’t require skill and now it’s a different kind of skill, sorry but no, you contradicted yourself don’t evade it.

@MaestrPotato-1464

just like you can play rein, having below average aiming skills and still be able to get to high ranks.

So according to you he does require skill, just a different kind of “skill” therefore it is a competitive activity by your own definition.

@MaestrPotato-1464

im within topic? fighting against rein and mercy doesnt need perfect widow aim. you can play winston or symmetra.

I am talking about the example you gave about the athlete and the person without a leg which is a false equivalence because in OW there is a skill system that puts you against opponents of similar skill. Why do you keep trying to evade the subject being discussed by jumping to another thing that is unrelated everytime?

@MaestrPotato-1464

you can move around the map and still dont need to shoot a single bullet to win the game is my point.

You said that in a competitive shooter you click enemies heads. SO by your own logic, moving around the map makes it a competitive game because you have to do it as well. I’m just using your own logic to explain it to you.

@MaestrPotato-1464

fire strike is one of the slower projectile that has a long cd. and does he swinging firestirke 80% of the game? or holding shield up? and left clicking?

earthshatter is directional skill shot lol
you cant even aim earth shatter towards pharah in the sky.

You ask if he shot something and he does.

@MaestrPotato-1464

winston in primal rage, that dont hold the gun, still do the same aoe damage. just 2 meter shorter.
weapon or melee, it is his effective range and how it works. understand?

He does shoot at enemies.

@MaestrPotato-1464

LOL i cant believe you use this as an argument. aim lock beam that only works on teammate hahaha. this is such a jokes hahahaha

I mean, your arguments are terrible I’m just speaking in a language to can understand.

@MaestrPotato-1464

not a gun. you are just trying to argue nonsensical stuff now lol
a weapon is not a gun.
imagine csgo calling themselves a competitive fps when all their pros is knifing each other the whole tournament. hahaha

She has to aim it and click a button to use it in first person.

@MaestrPotato-1464

if you still hvnt figure it out. the answer is no.

The answer is yes.

@MaestrPotato-1464

you started this?

Started what, I’m talking about you using the argument of not everyone agreeing with the other guy, then you say it yourself. You are contradicting yourself.

@MaestrPotato-1464

and depends on how your argument goes, i might stop replying too

You still haven’t admited that you are wrong about the game being competitive when I prove that it is with the literal definition of the word. Are you really that dense that you cannot admit that you are wrong about that?

@MaestrPotato-1464

then prove me that 50 millions copied sold, at least 30 millions is still playing lol

Why don’t you prove that they did?

@MaestrPotato-1464

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/exabfu/how_many_players_are_playing_overwatch_right_now/

What is this supposed to do? Someone asking on reddit how many players are there? What is the point of that??

@MaestrPotato-1464

balances patches? all those heroes rework and balances that want to make owl “less dull” to watch? all those changes because “owl” player abused them or keep complaining about them until it got changed?

I repeat, according to who or what??

[LordPhroyt-1506]

Also, MaestrPotato, is your name supposed to be Maester like the ones from games of thrones? just curious

[Vendamar-1771]

@MaestrPotato-1464

and i told you that the content is important, which you never understand

Because the content is not important when you are arguing the validity of the video by how the like to dislike ratio is.

@MaestrPotato-1464

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/exabfu/how_many_players_are_playing_overwatch_right_now/

What is this? Someone on the internet asking how many players are there? Again you come back to “because someone on the internet says so” LMAO. How low can someone go.

@MaestrPotato-1464

and throwing generic annual report that doesnt say anything that helps?

It says more than anything you have tried so far and it is an official statement from the company in which they cannot lie. You can try to dismiss it all you want, it still proves you factually wrong and I can see that it tilts you really hard.

[Vendamar-1771]

@LordPhroyt-1506

Thats the same for me, but thats not because there are too few players. Quite the opposite, there are TOO MANY players queueing for dps. Far from a dead game.

This guy is deluded to incredible degrees just fyi. I just reply to him because I’m enjoying watching him own himself over and over again.

[LordPhroyt-1506]

He’s fine. Maybe you are the deluded one

[Vendamar-1771]

@LordPhroyt-1506

He’s fine.

So you think its fine to claim that because someone on the internet says something then its right, damn, you are one of them I should’ve known.

[LordPhroyt-1506]

YEs i do i am delsuional you got that right all right

[MaestrPotato-1464]

@LordPhroyt-1506

Thats the same for me, but thats not because there are too few players. Quite the opposite, there are TOO MANY players queueing for dps. Far from a dead game.

oh, i have one more factor that made me think this.

it is the rank gap in rank games.
role lock was being implemented quite a while, but only last few seasons, rank gap keeps getting wider and wider, especially if you queue as tank.

@Crissan-1144

You said that they didn’t require skill and now it’s a different kind of skill, sorry but no, you contradicted yourself don’t evade it.

playing chess require skill, but dont require mechanical skills hahaha

@Crissan-1144

So according to you he does require skill, just a different kind of “skill” therefore it is a competitive activity by your own definition.

yea, but definitely not “i point my crosshair at enemy’s head accurately and lmb”

@Crissan-1144

I am talking about the example you gave about the athlete and the person without a leg which is a false equivalence because in OW there is a skill system that puts you against opponents of similar skill. Why do you keep trying to evade the subject being discussed by jumping to another thing that is unrelated everytime?

lol then quote the correct thing haha

same thing, a df vs zen, a mercy vs winston, a bastion vs winston, a widow vs pharah, a mei vs hammond.

it is roughly the same concept lol

@Crissan-1144

You said that in a competitive shooter you click enemies heads. SO by your own logic, moving around the map makes it a competitive game because you have to do it as well. I’m just using your own logic to explain it to you.

what does clicking enemies head has anything to do with moving around the maps make it a competitive games? i dont understand this lol pls explain.

and these words comes from you, so im confused as well.

@Crissan-1144

You ask if he shot something and he does.

yea, but not assault rifle.
earth shatter doesnt even need to point your crosshair at enemy for it to work. hahaha

@Crissan-1144

He does shoot at enemies.

lol he does with his gun. but it functions the exact same way as his melee.
see what i meant?

@Crissan-1144

I mean, your arguments are terrible I’m just speaking in a language to can understand.

i used mercy’s hero design as a valid argument, you just make a joke out of it to excuse yourself out

@Crissan-1144

She has to aim it and click a button to use it in first person.

yea, only flail, same as fire strike. you dont kill alot of ppl with it too haha
it is mostly used to create distance and proc inspire.

@Crissan-1144

The answer is yes.

well, i have nothing to say to ppl that thinks a knife only csgo tournament that last for 5 years when there are alot of guns in the game can still be consider a fps.

first person game? yes. first person shooter? nope.

@Crissan-1144

You still haven’t admited that you are wrong about the game being competitive when I prove that it is with the literal definition of the word. Are you really that dense that you cannot admit that you are wrong about that?

i can compete with my friends in basketball court with no prize or rewards that makes our value anything different besides having fun.

rank games gives you rank to show off. owl generates money lol.

it is different kind of competition.

@Crissan-1144

Why don’t you prove that they did?

@Crissan-1144

Hmm no they didn’t.

@MaestrPotato-1464

vast majority of playerbase alrd stopped playing the game lol

i dont need to, you are the one saying they didnt stopped playing.

@Crissan-1144

What is this supposed to do? Someone asking on reddit how many players are there? What is the point of that??

nothing, just showing you that im not the only who have similar thoughts.

@Crissan-1144

I repeat, according to who or what??

dev’s balance patches???

you have very similar thinking pattern as Vendamar do lol

@LordPhroyt-1506

Thats the same for me, but thats not because there are too few players. Quite the opposite, there are TOO MANY players queueing for dps. Far from a dead game.

well, 2 tank, 20 damage, 10 healer, they can still find the game in roughly around the same queue time.

but rank wise, it will be obvious. unless all these players plays in the same exact rank lol

@LordPhroyt-1506

Also, MaestrPotato, is your name supposed to be Maester like the ones from games of thrones? just curious

not sure what maester is, but i wanted to type Maestro, didnt put in that “o” because of word count limits haha

@Vendamar-1771

What is this? Someone on the internet asking how many players are there? Again you come back to “because someone on the internet says so” LMAO. How low can someone go.

@Vendamar-1771

It says more than anything you have tried so far and it is an official statement from the company in which they cannot lie. You can try to dismiss it all you want, it still proves you factually wrong and I can see that it tilts you really hard.

i told you they didnt lie. but they didnt tell you the full truth either by not telling you how many concurrent player there are for so many times lol

@Vendamar-1771

It says more than anything you have tried so far and it is an official statement from the company in which they cannot lie. You can try to dismiss it all you want, it still proves you factually wrong and I can see that it tilts you really hard.

they didnt lie, but they also didnt tell you the full truth.

@LordPhroyt-1506

YEs i do i am delsuional you got that right all right

maybe im indeed delusional

[Vendamar-1771]

@MaestrPotato-1464

they didnt lie, but they also didnt tell you the full truth.

You realize you replied to the same thing twice? They told the full truth because investors demand that, you just can’t bring yourself to accept it because it doesn’t support your false narrative.

[MaestrPotato-1464]

they didnt tell you how many concurrent player?
pls tell me which part of the report mentioned concurrent or active player lol

@Vendamar-1771

You realize you replied to the same thing twice?

i mean, knowing you, replying same thing twice is not enough hahaha

[Crissan-1144]

@MaestrPotato-1464

playing chess require skill, but dont require mechanical skills hahaha

What is the point of this, why do you keep deflecting what is being talked about by bringing something completely unrelated?

@MaestrPotato-1464

yea, but definitely not “i point my crosshair at enemy’s head accurately and lmb”

And so what, it is still a skill and it is a competitive activity. Again with the deflection.

@MaestrPotato-1464

lol then quote the correct thing haha

I DID, you keep deflecting, you seem incapable of following the discussion for some reason.

@MaestrPotato-1464

same thing, a df vs zen, a mercy vs winston, a bastion vs winston, a widow vs pharah, a mei vs hammond.

What are you even talking about, are you alright?

@MaestrPotato-1464

yea, but not assault rifle.

It doesn’t matter, as long as they have to aim and it’s on first person and they are playing to win then it is a competitive FPS.

@MaestrPotato-1464

see what i meant?

No not at all. You asked if he shot something, which he does.

@MaestrPotato-1464

i used mercy’s hero design as a valid argument

It’s not a valid argument.

@MaestrPotato-1464

yea, only flail, same as fire strike. you dont kill alot of ppl with it too haha
it is mostly used to create distance and proc inspire.

This is irrelevant, you asked something and I provided the answer.

@MaestrPotato-1464

well, i have nothing to say to ppl that thinks a knife only csgo tournament that last for 5 years when there are alot of guns in the game can still be consider a fps.

Your example is invalid in the first place I’m just answering the hypothetical question and the answer is YES.

@MaestrPotato-1464

i can compete with my friends in basketball court with no prize or rewards that makes our value anything different besides having fun.

rank games gives you rank to show off. owl generates money lol.

it is different kind of competition.

So you are in fact admitting that you are wrong and OW is indeed a competitive game.

@MaestrPotato-1464

i dont need to, you are the one saying they didnt stopped playing.

I don’t need to, you are the one saying they stopped playing

@MaestrPotato-1464

nothing, just showing you that im not the only who have similar thoughts.

Thoughts doesn’t equal facts.

@MaestrPotato-1464

dev’s balance patches???

Does the balance patches say that the changes are made specifically for the OWL, if so please do point me to where.

@MaestrPotato-1464

you have very similar thinking pattern as Vendamar

It’s called common sense. And he and the others are right about you I can see that now, you do nothing but deflect so I’m not going to waste any more time with you.

[Vendamar-1771]

@MaestrPotato-1464

they didnt tell you how many concurrent player?
pls tell me which part of the report mentioned concurrent or active player lol

It states that the player base is constantly growing and reached that milestone. You of course can’t accept that and will try to come up with any excuse to deny it because it doesn’t fit your false narrative. Ridiculous things like THEY ARE ALL SMURFS or something like that.

@MaestrPotato-1464

i mean, knowing you, replying same thing twice is not enough hahaha

This is basically you.

“Some people have such a fragile ego, such brittle self-esteem, such a weak “psychological constitution,” that admitting they made a mistake or that they were wrong is fundamentally too threatening for their egos to tolerate. Accepting they were wrong, absorbing that reality, would be so psychologically shattering, their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so — they literally distort their perception of reality to make it (reality) less threatening. Their defense mechanisms protect their fragile ego by changing the very facts in their mind, so they are no longer wrong or culpable.”

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-squeaky-wheel/201811/why-certain-people-will-never-admit-they-were-wrong

[MaestrPotato-1464]

@Crissan-1144

What is the point of this, why do you keep deflecting what is being talked about by bringing something completely unrelated?

it is not deflecting, it is trying to link your neural network to try to let you see things from the other side lol

overwatch is heavily inspired by moba, and heroes like rein, mercy, winston are not very mechanically demanding.

@Crissan-1144

And so what, it is still a skill and it is a competitive activity. Again with the deflection.

there is a difference, fps has different damage when you hit different part of the body.
at least getting headshot is a must lol
because it will show that player has more skills

@Crissan-1144

I DID, you keep deflecting, you seem incapable of following the discussion for some reason.

i quoted the same exact replies you quoted me
i even showed you lol

@Crissan-1144

What are you even talking about, are you alright?

this is what we call counters.
most of the time the one being countered has less of an advantage.
just like running with one leg against world athlete. you can still run, but it is not the same as being competitive lol

@Crissan-1144

It doesn’t matter, as long as they have to aim and it’s on first person and they are playing to win then it is a competitive FPS.

welp, you did say csgo with only knife is still a fps.

@Crissan-1144

No not at all. You asked if he shot something, which he does.

does it do extra damage when it hits enemy’s head?
or if you aim at their leg it will still do the same thing? haha

@Crissan-1144

It’s not a valid argument.

wow, you just denied a hero’s existence, one who is the core element of overwatch. bravo haha

@Crissan-1144

This is irrelevant, you asked something and I provided the answer.

yea, and i said, i dont even need to whipshot once to win the game

same as rein, i can do it without fire striking too

@Crissan-1144

Your example is invalid in the first place I’m just answering the hypothetical question and the answer is YES.

this is where you stand, and i said “no” is where i stand, can we pls stop bringing this up lol

@Crissan-1144

So you are in fact admitting that you are wrong and OW is indeed a competitive game.

erm, it is a competition, but im not earning money out of it.
and all these balance patches are not based on ladders feedback but rather owl.
so no? i didnt admit it lol

not everything is black and white lol

@Crissan-1144

I don’t need to, you are the one saying they stopped playing

then show me concurrent players numbers lol
i had 50 friends i knew in real life. only 3 still play once in a while, i stopped playing actively too haha

@Crissan-1144

Thoughts doesn’t equal facts.

then show me why our thoughts is not a facts lol
even blizzard dont want to prove it themselves haha

@Crissan-1144

Does the balance patches say that the changes are made specifically for the OWL, if so please do point me to where.

brig?
her armor pack was being nerfed because owl player abused it on heroes like tracer and genji?

genji?
he was being buffed to a degree where most ppl in the forum hated about it? even some genji mains? just so that he will appear in owl?

mercy?
mass rez was reworked due to pros complaining about her ult?

@Vendamar-1771

It states that the player base is constantly growing and reached that milestone. You of course can’t accept that and will try to come up with any excuse to deny it because it doesn’t fit your false narrative. Ridiculous things like THEY ARE ALL SMURFS or something like that.

i mean, more and more smurf were in my games
and selling alot of the product in the past doesnt mean ppl are still using it and will still buy it right?

@Vendamar-1771

This is basically you.

said by the person who cant point out where exactly did the company say anything about “concurrent player”

we are talking about “concurrent player” and you show me “how many copies they sold”

“Accepting they were wrong, absorbing that reality, would be so psychologically shattering, their defense mechanisms do something remarkable to avoid doing so”

[Megadodo-11847]

@Crissan-1144

The developers and the vast majority of the playerbase disagree with you.

the current developers recently brought role-less queue back, indicating that they’ve moved back to their original stance

I know of no valid data to support the claim regarding the majority of players

[Amaterasu-12408]

@Megadodo-11847

the current developers recently brought role-less queue back, indicating that they’ve moved back to their original stance

It indicates no such thing.

[Megadodo-11847]

I feel it does.

I accept that you feel otherwise

[Amaterasu-12408]

Your feelings are not indications.

[MaestrPotato-1464]

feeling is an indications lol

[Amaterasu-12408]

No, they absolutely are not.

[MaestrPotato-1464]

lol it is.

for e.g. 60% of the customers are “not happy” with restaurant ABC’s service and food. therefore they wont return to the store.

the issue here is, we dont know the exact numbers. since blizzard dont want to tell us lol

it is an indication for that specific person personally.