Unfortunately QP is no longer ‘a casual place to practice’. It’s either everyone DPSs with that one poor support or maybe one in 100 games you’ll get a proper team match.
Other than making Overwatch strict as hell with it’s bans/suspends, the other thing to do would be restricting the heroes you can play based on skill stats:
Let’s say average healing for a Mercy in plat is 4,000 per 10 minutes
Then you can play Mercy in that rank ONLY if you’ve got about 3,000~3,500 or more per minute.
No. I face all the same issues as you do. I’m just better than you so I climb and you don’t. The difference between me and you however is you think people only climb because they are lucky and you discount their actual skill. Give me your account and it’ll be in the next tier in a couple days. Why? Because games are too easy at low rank that it actually takes conscious effort to not win.
Throwers and leavers do exist. But they exist for everybody. They aren’t the reason you can’t climb. You are the reason you can’t climb. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you can fix it.
I don’t need to know what your level of mechanical skill is. If you are stuck in a rank, you belong in that rank. Maybe you have great mechanical skill but offset by poor game sense. More likely than not however, you simply overestimate your ability.
All in all, you simply prove my point about what I said in the first place.
Gotta bring this one up yet again. Maybe one of the White Knights will actually address this. Let’s say you’re right, and all the hard stuck people who complain are the problem. They are the ones with the lack of skill and ability.
What if I get one of these poor players on my team just because they’re within the SR range? If they’re that bad, then my team is bound to lose, right? So, another person has caused me to lose SR. So, another person is responsible for me not climbing. Your own argument proves that one’s teammates have a significant effect on a player’s ability to climb.
I never said that was your job. I’m glad you’re in photography and not teaching SAT prep for reading comprehension. The whole point, Man Ray, is that all the things you hate about an 8 hour a day job are mirrored by your comp experience.
So, my question remains. Why do you keep doing something that makes you miserable? You say it’s the people. Well, you can’t play Overwatch without the people. There’s no single player mode. All these things you can’t stand are an integral part of Overwatch.
And a real life job is not a fair comparison since people at a workplace would get themselves FIRED for repeated incompetence as well as for lacking in tact and professionalism when they act like they do here in the game.
Again, the GAME itself isn’t what frustrated me. It’s the people. Many of the good matches make me feel hopeful and then the bad ones make me lose faith, in people. The game is a game. The game only does what its programmed to do and nothing more. People do what they want when they want top do it and that’s what we cant control. Blizzard can only control that but they haven’t come up with solutions to stop people from doing what they are not supposed to be doing within the confines of this game.
This game also helps me vent just as much frustration as it generates. I can be upset after one match but be very happy in the next because I’d rather project a positive vibe than a negative one because that brings up other peoples moods who may ALSO be having a bad day in Comp matches.
I get a great deal of satisaction from melting some of the bally fat off Roadhogs as a Symettra and screaming “COME HERE PIGGY PIGGY!! GONNA ROAST YAH!!”
So, you admit that the amount of SR you lost was significant. On top of that, you continued playing while tilted. So, you caused other people to lose SR. Therefore, you impaired their ability to climb. Thanks for proving that other people can have a significant effect on your rank.
Since you’re so big on taking responsibility for your actions. I expect you to take responsibility for this too.
I think there’s a bigger problem in comp than being hard stuck. It’s just people focus on rank and get labeled as “whiners”. Here’s the problem at the heart of it all.
It’s the lack of evenly matched teams in comp. That’s my main problem with it. The matchmaking system in comp is flawed, and it results in many matches not being fair. This, in turn, keeps people from climbing. Not climbing is just a symptom, but it’s one the White Knights hold on to with every ounce of their strength.
So you fully agree/admit that one player who is tilted and lacking in performance (basically an unintentional thrower…but a thrower nonetheless) causes other players to lose SR and impairs their ability to climb? Thanks a bunch!!
Derpy, we’re on the same side. The system is jacked. People are the problem at the core. The system allows them to be their worst AND get rewarded for it.
I had genuine concern that maybe comp was causing you a lot of pain in your life. No game should do that. Don’t get broken up over your rank if you can help it. All that does is give the White Knights the satisfaction of making you miserable.
It’s 2am! I’m tired!! XD Going to bed soon! Doesn;t help when too many people have the same avatar XD
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Now let me school you a little.
Why do you think players who leave console to pc place higher and play better? Ding! It’s because pc is the easier and more fluid gaming system. Look at dspstanky. Look at alucard. All console to pc players.
Aim assist is not an aimbot. All aim assist does is keep your crosshair aligned over the target for about 0.1 seconds longer so you don’t zoom past them while aiming cos you know, joystick is not a mouse that’s just point and click. Lol. You stick gotta aim yourself. Why do you think players on tyrodin on pc who use controllers to play can only play Torbjorn? Haha.
So sorry You suck on the easier gaming platform. That’s not my fault. But since you wanna be mean and come for us console players who have a harder time but don’t complain, I’ll be mean back. You suck bad. Get good. You’re using a point and click device for crying out loud. Why do you think players who use mouse + keyboard on console do considerably better than players who use regular controllers? Lol. Educate yourself
You basically just explained the whole reason people say PC is harder. With a mouse/keyboard being vastly superior to using a controller for aiming it makes things more competitive since even people at the lowest ranks have decent aim. Being more difficult to aim/move properly with a controller widens the skill gap and lets people stand out more easily.
Not ragging on you for playing console but thought it was odd you are using the same reasoning as people saying PC>Console but somehow coming to a different conclusion.
Also DerpyPants why don’t you just buy a fresh account and get GM/Top 500 easily with your stats? If its your account thats played multiple seasons in Gold that is holding you back it seems like a simple solution. $30-40 seems like a cheap price to Pay to regain your sanity/happiness in a game you play 5-8 hours a day
It doesn’t make it more competitive. Don’t deceive yourself. Most people still can’t aim using a mouse. And keyboard and mouse doesn’t mean instant game sense and awareness.
All I’m saying is if you have almost everything right and aim is your problem, using a k+m is the right way to go.
Let’s not forget the field of view on pc is better than on console. On console is so close of your face while on pc it seems quite far. It’s like gaming on a small screen which is better for gaming with additional freedom of movement which a mouse brings
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GM level Hanzo. Suuuure
Actually, Plat and below are the only ranks where performance based SR is a thing (and it’s outright terrible as it encourages bad habits and makes leavers worse if you stick to a game until the end).
And while I agree that gold has its issues (there’s just too much % of people in gold), climbing out of it is not that difficult if you stop looking at stats and actually take the time to make the right decisions. e.g.: My 60+% accuracy on Pharah means little to nothing if I’m not confirming kills, properly prioritizing targets or positioning myself properly (and not playing while tilted, even if I don’t think I am, but that’s a whole different story).
One tip to get out of gold, though. I’d say ~90% of the (main) tank players in gold don’t know the basics of playing tank under most situations, to the point that a lot of games are lost because they don’t create space by either playing too far back (as close as spawn as possible in offense and as close to the point as possible in defense, for example) or by going yolo charging 1v6 on their own. Under any of those circumstances both healers and DPS will generally underperform, so instead of swapping from tank to DPS after a failed push (far too common in gold), try to actually focus on your tank play if you’re playing tank (but don’t try too hard on doing sick tricks and flank shatters and whatnot), or if you’re playing DPS or support and you know the player who’s currently main tank isn’t comfortable playing it, try playing it yourself instead (after you put some time in learning some basic stuff like pressing w and not charging right in the middle of the enemy team). You’ll have an easier time getting out of gold, or at least that’s from my experience.
I will certainly take responsibility for playing poorly due to tilt.
I played with those people for one game, if one person in those games over performed we probably would’ve won. Also doesn’t mention the fact that the enemy team is statistically more likely to have one of these players on their team, so if anything, they boost your SR
I didn’t hit diamond till I was silver boarder, and spent a good portion since then in plat.
If you only land 30% of your shots, that tells me everything I need to know
So much opinionated nonsense in this thread…
It simply boils down to lack of accountability for the player base l, blizz lets people run around, be a holes, troll, leave, one trick, not cooperate or play as a team… . And the entire community suffers for it. Its like a child if you give them no boundaries they are going to run free and be an as hole, this is exactly what has happened on this ladder no accountability and no peramiters set forth by the creators.
Lfg has helped this, but you still get the people who do that dumb stuff, they just deceive you in the group screen and you have to play a game first to see whose garbage. If you lose the entire group disband… its a flawed system, a team based game that promotes playing as an individual.
If you truly would like to group and be a team player and gain sr, i suggest going to a third party to find like minded people in your sr to group with. I finally took my own advise last night and did this and had great games, of cooperation, teamwork, and coordination, the exact way that blizz designed the game to be played… but doesn’t remove the obstacles in the way for the player base to do so.
Right, YOU played with them for one game. But in that one game your “throwing” affected the SR of 11 other people. Your team got an undeserved loss, and the other team got an undeserved win. Now, let’s say you lost 8 games in a row. That’s 88 other people you affected.
And guess what, you aren’t the only one out there doing that. Even though you were with these people for one game, there’s always others ready to fill your spot. Which brings me to the next point.
That’s only true in a randomized system, which comp matchmaking is not. It matches based on certain parameters. Who’s to say one of those parameters isn’t MMR/SR mismatch. It’s very possible the matchmaker could preferentially put under/over-ranked people on your team. Oh, by the way, in a randomized system, the other team would be more likely to have a smurf that would crush you too.
Then, even if, you’re right. Even if the throwers are more likely to boost your SR, that is an artificial win. Your team won mainly because one of the opponents was playing poorly, essentially making the game a 6v5. Skewing of SR is bad for the game in general, even if it does benefit you in the short term.
I’d rather have evenly-matched games that I lose instead of stomps that I win.
I was not throwing. Not playing up to par, yes, but in no sense did I make the game unwinnable. If this was the case, every loss every would be on one person, it doesn’t work that way. Also, this would imply the same for you on the 200 SR you’ve lost as you clearly didn’t deserve it if you can’t earn it back.
A Smurf is less common than someone playing tilted, regardless of what you may believe. The people who are “smurfing” at your SR are going to be low diamond max in most situations.
A majority of games are evenly matched, people just accept defeat too fast. Everyone loves to point the finger at one another, something you clearly do.
So, I’ve played in games rated from 1800 to 4000 (currently 3850 SR atm), and I can confirm, your rank depends on your performance. Back when I was plat it took a lot of time to get out of it, but now if I play on a plat smurf I win about 80% of games, even on heroes I never play. So, please stop making up conspiracy theories about how your gold stats are better than a GM’s. Statistically, I looked at your stats DerpyPants, your stats are in the bottom 50%, nowhere near the top 1% of GMs, your accuracy stats are bad, your elim and damage stats are bad, there is no way in hell you compared your stats to top500 stats and found out they were even remotely close, you are DELUSIONAL. Stop blaming others for your lack of success, if you want to climb you have to get good, there is no other way. Stop being a sucker
When you play on a plat smurf you’re basically 850-1350 SR under-ranked. That doesn’t prove the system is fair. If I played on a bronze smurf, then I’d have little trouble either.
Again, this isn’t the problem, but good luck getting a White Knight to discuss this reasonably instead of resorting to rhetoric. The problem is the degree your skill needs to exceed your desired SR. Ideally, your skill and desired SR should be equal, but most people would probably be okay as long as it is < 100 SR difference. Instead, you need to exceed your desired SR by 300-500. This not acceptable in any realm but White Knight land.
Keep throwing out that rhetoric, the last refuge of those who can’t win by rational argument. All you’re telling us is that you can’t rebut what I’ve presented. I’d love to be able to discuss this more, but this is like those stomp comp games I win. It’s not really satisfying.