Also, Dive it’s about sustaining damage, not one-shoting. Exactly what you wanted.
Yeah, but TF2 was a game developed by competent developers who had made FPS titles in the past before :^)
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If barriers were the problem then snipers would be useless as all their shots would be blocked. The only actual viable barrier character in this meta is Rien, so don’t try and take it out on main tanks.
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They literally buffed Widowmaker and Hanzo’s mobility? Dive doesn’t effect them at all hardly
Why do you think Widow is a go-to DPS in OWL where Dive is still used? Because she had her mobility buffed making it way easier to escape
Same thing happened to Hanzo with his disengage
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Dive is the strongest tool against them
And yeah widow buff was a mistake.
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Healing isn’t the problem; the highest throughput healers aren’t actually doing too well. It’s armor and rez that are responsible for the survivability creep we see today.
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Sniper like Hanzo and Widow have just to much mobility.
They counter had very hard time to kill them, most of time they die before…
High dommage shouldn’t go wit high mobility. That make some char to strong.
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When you have healers outhealing the damage, your best bet is burst damage. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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I think people let out something.
When Dive was meta, Widow hanzo and many DPS was useless, Therfore Blizzard Actually slowly buffed all of them.
However, until dive itself was gone, those buffs were no use. But when dive Was gone they became OP due to those buffs.
So yes simple way is to revive dive, But that doesnt fix the problem cause then they will be totally useless even when they seem so powerful now.
The TTK in this game was always actually low. The moment 2 DPS focus one person, its going to take 2+ enemies to block/deny and then heal back.
Sure widow can one shot you but if you get a soldier with semi good aim and a genji to jump on someone in the same second, thats a fast trip to the respawn mate.
Honestly dont think theres a real point here.
Completely agree 1 shots are horrible game design, especially when they come from the one with the scope and wallhack…
I mean look at it from the most apparent example, Pharah vs Widow. Both dps, but one literally hard-counters the other while also only needing 1 shot to kill with zoomed hitscan at that. And the other has projectiles with travel time that don’t even 1 shot while also being a very easy predictable target in it’s designed role.
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But why tho? Seems to be the crux of the problem.
First of all, she doesnt headshot and kill the entire cast.
Second its … a headshot with a Sniper rifle. If that didnt kill many of the cast the appropriate question would be “Why not?”.
Third, its literally all she has. From close range she is the WORST of all the DPS cast (by far) and her venom mine? tickle damage.
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First of all, she doesnt headshot and kill the entire cast.
This is not even worth a reply, really.
Don’t confuse game design with reality, that’s not a good idea, but even then, as opposed to a rocket exploding in ones face?
That’s why I was always for :
Remove the charge-up patchwork mechanic + remove 1 shots. Lower hook CD + ~instant zoom back.
There, I fix’d your game and made Widow actually fun to play with and against in the process.
edit: whats wrong with the quote system…
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The problem is that is no problem.
When theres no problem and people overexaggerate things and just complain because they dont like OHKO mechanics, they exaggerate and always say its low risk/high reward and its not balanced bla bla
The thing is … it is. That character is literally based on that mechanic, what you want is make her a “glorified” soldier76 with a touch of mcree.
Its not going to happen but good try. Any other OHKO that seem to be problematic?
She doesnt have to be played to deter other people from picking dive … pick rate is irrelevant when just the option to switch is There and boom now you cant dive the snipers
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Yea the game should totally be about emptying clip after clip into the target. . . . SARCASM OFF!
So far there is nothing of substance from you, only strawmans and non-arguments.
just sayin.
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Ad hominem fallacy is the only thing coming from you right now, just saying.
I explicitly and literally explained you why widow is allowed to have a OHKO mechanic and why the design is balanced. You choose to not listen to it, no worries.
Theres no need to post anything just to troll instead of answering the actual question i posted. If you have nothing to say, you can stop replying now.
What are you even talking about? Scroll up a few posts I addressed every single point you made, if you can call them that is another question, and gave you counter arguments you haven’t addressed at all with the next post, or the last for that matter.
Do you really believe anyone that reads the chain of posts would just ignore this?
If this is what you are referring to it’s your strawman that you erected for everyone else. Nobody said this and it’s simply wrong to say removing 1 hits from widow for anyone but tracer, would remove her scope (at least that is what I think you are trying to say). It’s just so nonsensical it’s baffling.
Also taking McCree for example he has the least mobility and no scope and no 1 hits. Even if he could one-shot he’d still not have a scope, still less mobility and a bigger hitbox.