cite that. They absolutely take opinions and fun into gameplay. they are GAME DEVELOPERS. games are supposed to be fun.
Back your words up with data. Show me where the devs say they exclusively use winrates and raw data for balance.
Put up or shut up. And dont cite a streamer lmao…
So then do devs not consider how fun a character will be when making changes, no ofc they do they aren’t stupid, think about everytime they make a change to guardian angel they mention how they take into account the fun factor of it, because when designing for a video game, how fun something is what matters most
show me any developer blog where a change was made solely becasue “it was unfun”
There ya go. Also read literally any of the dev blogs.
And dont play the bad faith coward way of arguing where you ignore my request for something to be cited by trying to turn it around on me.
You’re bad at this. I guess thats what happens when you have no opinions of your own and just parrot streamers lmao.
No they are not and I’m not going to enter in any loophole as it happens often when arguing with you.
you’re gonna make me say it again… .fine…
Fun is subjective… No one but you controls whether or not you are having fun… ‘fun’ is an impossible fantasy when it comes to game design becasue 100 people are going to have 100 different ideas of fun. Balance… Balance deals in facts, and absolutes… Balance is something devs can realistically strive for…
But the hero is fun to play as. So they hit the mark. If the rework or nerfs just make her unfun to play then how is it fair for those that find it fun? And if your answer is “it doesn’t matter because I don’t have to care about your fun” then right back at you. 
There is one golden rule to hero balance.
The fantasy of playing the hero.
I have already clarified that these are stated as facts because they are facts
Good gameplay design is when everyone is having fun.
Bad gameplay design is when one player having fun prevents otehrs from having fun.
Basic stuff when you’re not using a straw man arguement.
“MUH FUN MATTERS TOO!” lmao…
Ok chatgpt. You can turn off now 
As a further clarification, there’s no chatgpt involved in any statements I have made
I ask that the personal attacks cease
But I have fun beating sombra’s on winton for the last 2 seasons. I have fun beating them on moira as well. So what’s the disconnect between us? Is it the understanding that Overwatch is a game where 40 annoying and unique heroes that all annoy each other every game for a W? And this game has always been that.
No they just talk like a brochure. Just accept it.
All because fun is Subjective doesn’t mean that it doesn’t matter because when designing a game it will be based on fun. while they are many forms of fun the Overwatch devs have decided to stick to specific kind of fun as evidence by the fact this game exists. and let me ask you a simple question
What Percentage of the Overwatch playerbase have to not like fighting Sombra against in order for you to think that it Warrents her to get nerfed or another rework, Give a Percentage, nothing more, nothing less
Fun to play as, yes absolutely i do feel like a cyber assasin when playing as her, but fun to play against, absolutely not. and when it comes to designing characters how fun they are to play against matters more because they’ll be more players fighting against the character in question then playing as them, failure to understand that is a pitfall that games like Smash Bros and For Honor fell into.
no… I won’t. It doesn’t matter how much of the playerbase agrees that she’s ‘unfun’. that will never make it not subjective… I’m not arguingwith you about that… I am saying that if you seriously want changes… something that isn’t subjective NEEDS to be part of your case for changes occuring.
it doesn’t matter AT ALL, what any number of individual’s opinions of ‘fun’ are, when the recorded, provable fact is that she is underperforming… I am not tryingto fight or negate you … i’m trying to properly arm you to get the results you actually want.
Again, i need you to understand i’ve actually gotten pretty good at beating sombras with all 3 roles. She’s gotten so common it was necessary lol.
The problem is, that even when i win, even when i keep killing her, its not fun. Makes me wanna turn the game off and play something else.
Such a simple concept its crazy you dont understand.
alec dawson discussed psychology being an important factor in their decisions in his most recent interview with spilo
See I just disagree. Maybe it’s my experience on sombra that changes my mind. But I hop on winton. Leave a bubble for the team behind. And chase her translocator. And then spam voice lines as I shock her to death with one proper tactical crouch because I know how much that works on sombra’s. Since I am one.
No, they didn’t. As a Sombra main, she is incredibly boring in her current state. She has no depth and requires minimal thought, skill, and effort.
She’s only fun for people who are literally incapable of getting eliminations with any other DPS hero.