People complain about heroes that are just fine too.
heros have their limits especially when facing their counters.
if you know how to play your hero with great enough skill and/or understanding of your match ups then you’ll become way less susceptible to being “countered”, it isn’t like this game is rock paper scissors and one-tricks are fruitlessly trying to win by picking paper into rock over and over.
for example, i play into my counters every game and i do well against them, and that is only because i’ve learned how to diminish my weak points and how to apply myself in a way where i’ll be more useful with the hero that i’m playing.
if you’re stuck thinking this game is decided by what heroes people have selected, then you lack imagination.
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@LULU
You are in the top teir where less then 20% of the community resides.You have far less variety of players to deal with.
There will eventually/always be someone in some game on a specific hero that can counter you because they are in fact better than us in low teirs. Thats a fact. As our SR climbs, that will constantly happen. You will CONSTANTLY be adjusting to a higher skillset of players both on your team AND against you. That is the reality. Any player who thinks they dont have room to improve and ignores people who are clearly better at managing their lifespan should be listened to.
Does the rookie cadet soldier ignore the senior leutennant who has survived dozens of battles, watcdhed his friends die only to live another day? or does that cadet heed the advise of someone who ha the experience to survive and come back alive???
Nobody is above criticism, especially when it’s honest and well thought criticism and not baseless assumptions and petty arguing.
Please stop using that argument.
Problem is that you can warm up in pract range and practice a ton in QP, but if you have a bad game or even if you have a good game but ppl perceive you having a bad game, they immediately report you.
Usually the person doing the reporting is the one who is actually toxic to the widow player etc yet it’s always the widowmaker play who gets reported bc ppl think that reporting any loss is appropriate
You are in the top teir where less then 20% of the community resides.You have far less variety of players to deal with.
20%? try 0.5%, i’m playing against the very people that you argue should be the ones to punish me, but they’re not doing the things you expect them to do.
There will eventually be someone in some game on a specific hero that can counter you because they are in fact better than you.
so what? when does that scenario “eventually” take place? up until that point i’m not bothered by it because i’m in top 200 NA right now with this account, and i’ve hit top 10 NA a few seasons ago with Symmetra only, if i can get that far without “meeting my match” then what good is your argument?
i don’t flex because i don’t play against people who are good enough to spur that action within me, you can owe that to solo queue.
Does the rookie cadet soldier ignore the senior leutennant who has survived dozens of battles, watcdhed his friends die only to live another day? or does that cadet heed the advise of someone who ha the experience to survive and come back alive???
are you suggesting you’re the senior lieutenant in this scenario? i’m well over double your SR by ignoring your teachings on how to play this game correctly.
Nobody is above criticism
cool, take my criticism: you are completely out of your depth, you’re lecturing someone who knows a lot more about how this game works on a fundamental level.
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The ability to flex is still a major asset to have that goes unrewarded by the current SR system. One tricking is only viable because you have 5 other players on your team who probably aren’t one tricks and can fill the other necessary roles for you, at least better than you’re capable of. Switching heroes to deal with counters is a major part of the game at all levels. It may not always be necessary to do so, but there are definitely times when it is. Nobody in the right mind would run a pharah with no mercy into a team with 4 equally skilled hitscan counters, for example. Unless of course you’re a one trick who lacks the imagination to even think about learning another hero.
Switching heroes to deal with counters is a major part of the game at all levels.
explain to me why the people who are flexing and playing this game the correct way are losing all their games against someone like me who plays the game incorrectly?
Nobody in the right mind would run a pharah with no mercy into a team with 4 equally skilled hitscan counters
but you’ll be down one player, while the enemy team has allocated four players to counter the one Pharah player in your team, and if they have to utilize that many players to shut down someone then they’ve really made themselves clean pickings for the remaining five players on your team.
Unless of course you’re a one trick who lacks the imagination to even think about learning another hero.
give me incentive to play another hero, if i can get by and win games incorrectly then what reason do i really have to conform to your standard of how people are meant to play this game? is me playing well not justification enough?
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@LULU
I say 20% because many top 500, GM and Master players have alt accounts that go as far down as Diamond so I added all those percentages in my head from the last ones I can remember.
Eventually for me is about every 5-10 matches. For you I imagine its a lot longer but I am in a teir where over 60% of the player5s in the entirety of the community reside.
I was not comparing myself to you. It is an analogy that people should listen to more experienced players on your team and in your teir when they offer you information and wisdom when they have vastly more experience playing multiple heros and hundreds if not thousands of other people. I for one have 2000+ hours between 2 accounts, I have good game sense and awareness, and I have the same level of effectiveness and efficiency on almost all the heros I play most often. So to some people in Gold teir yes, I am definitely that lieutenant in that analogy who tries to lead a team to a victory through teamwork and coordination. For your teir thats completely different because the queue pool is so small you have way too many lieutenants and not enough soldiers. That is why GM and Master teirs have toxicity because everyone has a big set of brass balls.
I am not here to lecture you or compare my skills or my play time to yours. I am simply stating an analogy that illustrates a tried and true fact among human beings, that people with more experience and more information have a lot to offer to those that don’t have the same experience or information in hopes that they will become bettet. its not about control.
Your criticism is noted and unwarranted because I did not try to lecture you. There are obvious difference between the overall mentallity of our teirs and part of that is how many people you have to deal with and the variety of personalities those people possess.
One tricking is also only viable for people with 4 or more alt accounts in multiple teirs so they don;t mess up their priceless main heros MMR and tank their SR.
This is why alt accounts should not be allowed, but who are we to try and change Blizzards mind when all they care about is how much money they can wring out of their paying customers by not changing flawed systems and keeping people pining for a better way while people with alt accounts avoid punishments , harass and discriminate against people, abuse in game functions and all manor of disgusting truths that so many people are in denial about.
It kind of reminds me of how the real world is right now. People fighting among themselves not realizing that the people at the top of the social ladder dictate where and when you can take a crap without someone objecting to your activities and being offended when all you do is speak the truth to someone in an open and honest way while trying not to trigger the snowflakes of the world.
Its a damn shame really.
An incentive? What better incentive than the ones already given by half a team who says you are dying too often and too fast?
What about the incentive of winning a match because we worked together instead of playing a blame game letting a defense/push fail because you want to do your own thing.?
if thats not enough incentive for you…then maybe you need to reconsider your position.
Like I said…nobody is above criticism and that’s mine for you. Your rank doesn’t make you immune to faults or mistakes. I’m sure you make them just like any other human being. Whether they are social ones or in game mechanical ones, you make them.
Players at your teir dont switch because god forbid you lose,you will entually drop rank when you lose a match because it shifts your MMR. That is called fear. Fear of losing that rank is what drives you to play only 1 hero. By contrast…I am not affraid to lose when the match is good. When I am facing a good enemy with a competant team, I am not disappointed with a loss. I am only disappointed when other people could have done better despite how hard I tried to help them succeed.
As I said…the mentality of our teirs is very different because I deal with a lot more people with a variety of knowledge and skillsets.
I added all those percentages in my head from the last ones I can remember.
that’s one way of saying “pulling out of thin air”.
It is an analogy that people should listen to more experienced players on your team and in your teir when they offer you information and wisdom
who are these experienced players? because they’re not on my team, and if they were they’re not telling me to switch off Symmetra anyway because they recognize my usefulness. it is sort of presumptuous to assume that high SR players share your sentiments, because they don’t.
I for one have 2000+ hours between 2 accounts, I have good game sense and awareness, and I have the same level of effectiveness and efficiency on almost all the heros I play most often.
apply yourself, if you say you have 2000 hours of experiencing with something that constitutes as good game sense, awareness and effectiveness and efficiency in silver (because that’s what sub 2000 SR is), then you obviously don’t practice what you preach.
I am definitely that lieutenant in that analogy who tries to lead a team to a victory through teamwork and coordination.
what if your team wants to do what they feel is best when it comes to climbing and have no ambitions of following the lead of someone who has been stagnating in silver for the past 2 years? you donning the role of leader in all likelihood has only limited people’s potential because your way of playing the game is completely embedded into a low SR mindset, hence why you still occupy that space, maybe you should become a soldier and look for a lieutenant of your own?
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Obviously you are skilled enough to be finding ways to win and climb as a one trick. I don’t think anyone has said you’re bad at the game. I’ve only said that the ability to flex is a great asset. An ability that you either don’t have or do but choose not to utilize.
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I used an extreme example as a way to prove a point that situations where switching heroes is necessary can and do exist. But in reality, most of the time just one good mccree or widow is usually enough to make someone strongly consider switching off a pharah, provided that they’re able to play any other viable dps at an acceptable level.
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I wouldn’t say you’re playing “incorrectly” as you aren’t breaking any rules by one tricking. I personally have no issues with one tricks who have proven to succeed. However, if they fail at their role as I’m sure most of us have at some point, then it becomes a huge problem as there is no backup option available to them.
I’m done. I said my piece for you. If you want to keep your mind closed to other peopels issues thats your call, but do not presume to lecture me either on what works and what doesn’t in my teir same as I did not tell you what happens in yours beyond simple facts of counter play and teamwork.
I never said their climbing strategy was in question. I go match by match, trying to win and work with people for a victory. I play dozens if not a hundred matches a day. I have to deal with competent and incompetent people all day, I make hero switches based on what my team needs and help other people make similar choices after seeing what they can do…or what they aren’t doing IN THE MOMENT!! I focus my attention on the here and now.
Apply myself? Practice what I preach?? That coming from a top 500 One trick who has to play on different accounts because you dont want to lose your rank to a system that favors one tricks in a TEAM based game??? I have more of an idea how you operate than you know of me. You have no idea how many times I change heros mid match to try and counter the enemy. You dont do it at all. So what gives you the right to tell ME that I need to change by hero when all you do on one account is play 1 hero and in order to sdwitch you play another account at a lower teir. Don’t preach to me when you are manipulating the system tom stay at a high teir.
See. Thats your flaw. You think rank is too important and you are selfish. You think of yourself and not for your team.
If being selfish is the cost of climbing…you can keep your “god teir” rank. Its just a shiny badge that tells people how many accounts you have to pay for because you are too worried about losing what you have.
If flexing was actually an asset I would certainly not be in Gold teir.
If being a flex was worth anything I would climb. The system is completely contradictory that it favors selfishness over selflessness, and those who exploit that do not deserve the high teir rank for their exploitation of the system.
The ONE fact that people always seem to leave out in their streams from “Bronze to GM” or other climbing guides and videos is that you have to be selfish and closed minded and only play one hero to get up there and ignore the grief and toil of other players who are willing to sacrifice for their team…
Something not being “against the rules” doesnt make it right. Thats a blatant falacy.
What better incentive than the ones already given by half a team who says you are dying too often and too fast?
playing a blame game letting a defense/push fail because you want to do your own thing.?
if thats not enough incentive for you…then maybe you need to reconsider your position.
why are you assuming i die too often and too fast? and with that, why do you think my team is commenting on that?
why are you assuming i’m playing a “blame game” with my team to the detriment of our communications?
all you are doing is presuming things about how i play or how i perform, if your argument relies on the notion that i’m performing badly then just give it a rest, because performance isn’t the issue i’m facing with.
Your rank doesn’t make you immune to faults or mistakes.
are my faults or mistakes an inherent issue the hero i’m playing?
Fear of losing that rank is what drives you to play only 1 hero.
i play one hero because i don’t care to play other heroes, i’m grinding dozens of games a week because i like playing, if i were in it for precious SR i would be a LOT more conservative with the amounts of games i’ve played, that and i wouldn’t let my accounts decay either.
I am only disappointed when other people could have done better despite how hard I tried to help them succeed.
relaying to my other comment, they probably lost because you’ve helped them too much.
I am not affraid to lose when the match is good.
nobody is afraid to lose a game, tf.
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How many one tricks are there in OWL? Almost if not everyone in that league is capable of playing at least 2-3 heroes at a world class level. It matters. It may not be rewarded by the SR system, but without flexers there wouldn’t be one tricks able to climb as high as they do, especially in solo Q. Oh and btw theres no sym mains in OWL.
So you arent afraid to lose your SR? Then go ahead. Do it. Play more than 1 hero at your GM rank. Post the results for us. You willing to do that?
How many accounts do you have exactly? How many one trick accounts are there at high teirs above Diamond?
I am speaking about MY teir or the game as a whole. I am generalizing the vast majority of people into a single statement. Just because I use the word “You” i do not mean you specifically. I mean anyone. Put yourself into other peoples positions and understand what they go through on a daily basis.
You are in a teir that has fewer people. You see the same people a majority of the time because of a smaller queue pool.
@Nemesis.
How many of those OWL players have multiple accounts with the same name and just play different heros on them??? Flexing on the same account is what people should be doing. Not using multiple accounts to avoid the judgement of the SR system. Not playing the bare minimum matches to avoid decay.
You guys have excuses and reasons for everything you do that is selfish and exploitive. I’m done.
who has to play on different accounts because you dont want to lose your rank to a system that favors one tricks in a TEAM based game???
i don’t follow, how does me playing on multiple accounts enable me to NOT lose rank on an account?
a system that favors one tricks in a TEAM based game???
how does the system work to favor one tricks past diamond?
You have no idea how many times I change heros mid match to try and counter the enemy. You dont do it at all.
because i don’t have to.
You think rank is too important and you are selfish.
i think nothing of rank, i care about winning, you care about playing the game in the way you perceive to be the correct way at the cost of winning because what you are doing isn’t effective, that is your prerogative.
If being selfish is the cost of climbing…
you think holding onto the sentiments that have kept you stuck in rank for the past eon doesn’t make you selfish? broaden your perspective and realize that your teammates would rather win with me than lose with you.
Its just a shiny badge that tells people how many accounts you have to pay for because you are too worried about losing what you have.
i’m really curious what people owning multiple accounts have to do with any of this.
you play another account at a lower teir.
i have three accounts, and they’re all within 200 SR of one another, again, please stop assuming things.
Don’t preach to me when you are manipulating the system tom stay at a high teir.
how am i manipulating the system?
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LULU…you only play SYm.
You have literally NO objective kills for this whole COmp season.
You have less than 2 elims per life as Sym. 1.97 to be exact.
Teleporter average uptime…0.05. Really? My average TP uptime is like 3 minutes per match and I drop 5 portals a match sometimes.
Please…TELL ME…how does playing Symettra exclusively help your team??? or does it only help yourself?
Yup. I’m done. You are too full of yourself.
You have a nice day.