He highlighted the case in one post and hasn’t said anything since.
If this is a “meltdown” then we are all doomed.
He also hasn’t been banned
Should be really easy to check on the Top500 Leaderboards. He shouldnt be there of he was banned.
But I guess this sacred technique is too high for some people here.
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Good point. Forgot about that one. Are they up yet? Given that he was streaming yesterday using the account out good friend seems to think is banned… Id expect it to be on there as soon as they are.
But the poor chap says his “favourite” account and he’s conveniently got a second account with everyone exactly the same…
Don’t think so, but it should also apply to previous leaderboards.
But I see already, there will always be another account taking its place…
You were talking about his “favorite”, right? Shouldnt that one be on the leaderboards?
And if he has multiple ones up there, you should be able to notice that they are gone, right?
Gods work? Clinics? Mental illness?
Holy sh*t, I think I found the madness-Bingo right here.
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i already did that lol
he was rank 2 in season 1 and his profile is open so you can see his play time this season
hes played 263 games this season alone
This one had me rolling, wonder how many accounts he has🤣
Not playing today, so haven’t checked the T500 list (but it is apparently up)… But I did check the player search and his profile is clearly not banned
edit…
Checked T500… he is currently rank 14 DPS on the leaderboard. So 100% has not been banned. Claims he has are a complete fabrication.
h ttps://overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/career/d94cad8dba74d6ffbaa020%7Caaa3a84a400fbd2a86612308e95e177e/
h ttps://overwatch.blizzard.com/en_US/search/?q=kragie
There is also only one account with that name using the Danish flag icon.
Quick check… 7 other accounts.
(PrimeSubMe, XiaoWeiXiao, Eigark, SixFootFive, Otto, SillySalmon, TorbMaster76)
By that reasoning, just about every cheater that takes a lot of precautions and doesn’t get caught for years should be exonerated. And if you don’t start out cheating, then there’s no way you could ever be cheating.
You should hit up Lance Armstrong and Barry Bonds.
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the difference between all of these things and this situation is that kragie has ONE instance while being a streamer. AND those other ppl were caught beyond a shadow of a doubt cheating while kragie did something and ppl said “HE DOIN STEROIDS”
no matter how careful you are if you are cheating you will have several moments that are suspicious and you will be caught
there was a hanzo that got caught like that i believe maybe a year or more ago where he had been gm for a while and no one noticed he was cheating until slowly people started to see a pattern in the kill cams.
that person last i remember got banned (entire youtube videos about him and such)
the difference between him and kragie is that kragie streams so its alot harder for a sus moment to not be caught
think about how many streamers have been accused of cheating over the years, people have accused shroud of cheating several times and hes by far the most famous fps player i can think of.
no ones perfect, so if a top end player were to cheat they’d still eventually get caught if they are doing it consistently
ask yourself this, why would kragie cheat in a ladder match but not in the jay 3 tournament?
neither option is particularly smart to cheatin
if you cheat in ladder you are cheating for nothing and if you cheat in a tournament your odds of being caught go up significantly.
this is why it takes more then a single piece of circumstantial evidence to prove something
cuz imagine if we just banned ppl off of 1 instance, now every top player is banned most mid tier players are banned and even several low and bottom tier players are banned
its far more important to not ban innocent people then it is to catch every single possible cheater
id love to ban all cheaters, but im equally against innocent people being banned due to a witch hunt.
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No, enough with the strawman “if you ban kragie you have to ban everyone” argument. I’m not calling for that, haven’t from the beginning, and I’m not going to let my argument be hamstrung by a logical fallacy.
Also enough with the “he’s been streaming for so long”, “you have to have a long history of being sus for an impossible clip to mean anything”, “don’t see him cheating in tourneys” arguments as they are also nonsense. You can start cheating at any time, you don’t need to be suspected for years in order for an egregious clip to mean anything, cheats can be toggled on and off so you don’t have to cheat at all times if you do at any time, and people are far more likely to call out cheating when there’s prize money at stake as opposed to random ladder play. This isn’t even being biased here, it’s basic logic.
Pro streamers have sus moments all the time, Kragie included. However, I tend to write these off as them simply being better than me as they’re not out of the realm of possibility. For example, in that same clip, there’s a pretty insane sweep scope snipe on a full-speed, wall-bouncing Lucio. I’d say most people, including pros, would miss that shot far more often than not. But it isn’t really that sus as there’s the overshoot, there’s the ducking into cover afterwards clearly expecting to be harassed by the Lucio - the shot just had some luck to it. There’s also the headshot on the JQ through the tree. You could tell she was there, but exactly where is not really possible. However, there’s enough information there to justify a lucky headshot, even directly after an insane Lucio shot.
The Sombra shot isn’t like these shots. There’s no information that can be used to justify landing it. It’s a perfect flick with no prompting on a target that isn’t possible to see. He wasn’t just using a shot before repositioning because he wasn’t about to reposition. And just happening to spycheck with a fully charged, pixel-perfect, totally smooth flick requires way too much suspension of disbelief.
By your reasoning, someone could win the powerball 5 times consecutively and you wouldn’t suspect a thing so long as they hadn’t been caught cheating before. I mean, it is theoretically possible, right?
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As much as I’d love to see a cheater banned, I’m not convinced that Kragie lost an account.
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He hasn’t. They are all still active. With the account he was playing on still currently visable in the top 20.
When/why was he banned before? That’s the first I hear about it. But yeah that clip definitely looks like cheats and it’s surprising that Blizzard hasn’t seem to taken any notice.
He was briefly banned back in June/July. But this was quickly overturned as it was an incorrect action.
Whilst the shot in the clip is understandably suspicious. It isn’t cheating.
This nonsense is still going? 
He was banned previously on a new account, shooting people in the back outside their spawn and they didn’t even notice… Smurfing? Not really, was a new account, either way, the report system removed him for cheating -.-
I have watched a lot of Kragie, and this is the first clip I have ever seen that was ‘suspicious’, in isolation sure it looks weird but if you watch even 20 mins of him you’ll realise he is incredibly good and this was just luck, at least that what it seems to me with exposure to his normal gameplay
He also recently played in a tournament with other streamers + cash prize… Think he may have been banned from that if they were convinced he was cheating, 20K does a lot to sway people
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The old “hes a pro and plays all the time…bro you need to watch more of his stream to confirm he’s cheating or not” argument.
Some similar logic:
“Her blood testing company is a fraud and potentially giving faulty test results for thousands of patients!”
"The company has been around for years, has a massive deal with a major, nationwide pharmacy, and has attracted investment from multibillionaires. Do you think that would happen if she was a fraud?
Plus she has no history of defrauding investors. Take off your tinfoil hat!"
If he was cheating. In all the hours of streaming before and since, there would be other dodgy clips.
I’ll wait…
I believe he’s trying to get rank 1 in The Finals too… I’ll take clips of him cheating in that too if you have proof.
If not, the conversation is done, not cheating.
If elizabeth holmes had been committing fraud, it would have been made obvious many times before she got over a billion in investment dollars and $140 million from Walgreens to be in their pharmacies. We would have seen her commit fraud before as well.
GUYS…A HORRIBLE INJUSTICE HAS BEEN DONE! WE NEED TO FREE ELIZABETH HOLMES! IRREFUTABLE LOGIC PROVES IT!
“John Wayne Gacy was the last person to make contact with the boy. In fact, the store owner said the boy went with him to discuss a ‘job opportunity’.”
“That doesn’t mean he did anything to the boy! Has this guy been arrested for murder before? No? He’s almost 40 years old, if he was a murderer we would have found plenty of bodies by now!”
Already gave the clip, now you’re just desperate for an argument for some reason. If you want to believe he didn’t cheat go ahead, but it’s just blind faith. And I’m not getting baited into spending hours of my time combing through his vods just to find enough evidence for you to know he’s cheating, especially 100s of clips obviously still wouldn’t be enough for you.
Super weird to be this desperate to irritate people online, my dude. Go touch grass and make some friends.
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