it breaks a lot if a movement ability is used. like a doom uppercut, mercy guardian angel. mccree roll. tracer blink.
and this happens in the wide open.
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Blizzard seem more keen on just adding more heroes and skins instead of fixing the heroes the game had from the start.
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Thatās an SOE development tactic, āWhy fix old bugs when you can cover them up with new ones and new content.ā
Then they donāt have to go back and fix them.
Or are constantly trying to add content to please the āso whatās newā people AND balancing old content to work with the new content as well as fix bugs. There is quite a bit of evidence that even if itās not the character you WANT being worked on, old heroes are being balanced.
This is perfectly ok, the less instakill-y the better. The game needs way less one hit KOās.
I would accept consistent damage over full kill damage. Iāve hooked and perfectly headshotted (itās more in the neck butā¦) a widow and had her grapple away with a little over half life, For the investment and technical skill required to do that, she should be closer to death.
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Itāll break even if no los break. Any sort of lateral movement from a hero breaks it. Itās very bugged right now.
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Havenāt experienced that much breakage myself, but I donāt doubt thereās bugs. I think ANY lateral movement is a bit of an exaggeration though.
Sometimes pressing A or D is enough to make the hook completly null and void.
Of course itās a slight exaggeration, I play a fair bit of hog and the hook seems to break over very small things. For example I tried to hook a Zen and the hook broke because he was near a wrecking ball mine. Not behind it and it wouldnāt have pulled it through him but Iām assuming thatās what broke it because that was the only thing around.
No its true it breaks for no reason in the wide open when some kind of movement ability interferes with it
I donāt like playing Road anymore because of his Hook issues and the fact that his damage is random I canāt deal with all that rng in a game itās too much
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Sad reality, to the best of my knowledge that WASNT a bug, and is hook working as intended.
Which obviously- isnāt very good.
For those that donāt know (not saying you, just an in general thing) - hook was changed so that it requires multiple LoS checks in order to complete the hook.
When you hook a target, multiple ālinesā are drawn from hog, to the target- at various points AROUND the target- namely to the target itself, as well as to the āsidesā of the target.
If your target is moving in a direction, the lines to the appropriate sides must also pass a LoS check. If they donāt- the hook
fails.
The ālogicā behind this is that it helps prevent hooking targets who were JUST about to clear a corner- but get pulled back instead, because on the recipients ends they probably did clear the corner, and it feels terrible being hooked through walls.
Now to this widow video- I was not surprised to see where the widow was standing. Right by a corner.
Look what happens just as the hook is thrown- widow is AD spamming, just in the direction of the corner.
Which the hook then tries to LoS check- and fails because of the terrain
So yea. To the best of my knowledge from what I can see, not a bug- but working āas intendedā
But in a completely awful way. Itās oretty lame at times. Such as here.
Make the hook hitscan plz.
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Your assumption is this is working as intended since weāve never been told one way or another though. Weāve unfortunately never had acknowledgement that this is how itās supposed to work or not. Iām going to go with bug since the majority of the game uses āfavor the shooterā and this would go against that.
All my evidence of course is anecdotal but I can count the times Iāve seen it break 'for no reason" on one handā¦ and Iāve played hog for a while. THe only reason I stopped playing him as much was the damage he does has become incredibly , unreliably inconsistent , making him a poor choice for someone who depends on knowing that certain moves will have a certain damage tick (approximately). I need to know that Right-click to body, hook, left click to chest/neck and melee will almost kill someone or at least heavily damage them. Otherwise I might as well just try to get env kills all day and build up ult to push people off the pointā¦ both very situational needs.
I watched it and Iām sorry but the suggestions he makes are terrible.
I see the inconsistency with roadhog, but he actually wants Hook1.0 back, thats EXACTLY what he wants, he just talks very smoothly around it.
Hogs weapon into hitscan? Yeh, ok, Iād rather have that than the increase of dmg he suggests, because we had that kind of Hog already and it was one of the worst experiences ever. Getting oneshot EVERY TIME because actually thats all he was able to do - no thx.
Dont listen to that guy, he basically wants old hog back.
i donāt have trouble with HS as RH and getting kills esp with focus fire
not it shouldnāt be. they should keep it as is but fix LoS bugs. hitscan would be way too OP for such a good move.
Focus fire on a hooked target is nice, but still relies on your team paying a lot of attention. Ideally people would focus whatever poor shmuck you yanked in but lets be honest, with randoms itās pretty rare. Hog should do a decent amount of damage for landing his full combo.
Where do you aim HS? Iāve found if even one pellet hits non-head hitbox the games system for crits does a weird sort of maybe/maybenot. Itās either all pellets are headshot or none are. Iāve bodyshotted people for instant kills and headshotted people for piddle.
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The hook breaks for no reasons its really annoying since thats all he offers. His ult is bad, he suffers from all the stunsā¦ he cant make space since every ability of him can get cancelled by stunning him. You can counter him too easily while he doesnt really bring much to the table. Considering the stun problematic, zarya doing better DMG better ultimate, roadhog still feeding so muchā¦ hes terrible to be played in ranked.
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i had 3 games with randos and it worked great everytime I hooked someone they died before I could even finish the pull. when I pulled alone i even got headshots and kills. i rarely lose with a hook. heck even just pulling a brig away from my team or theirs have netted me seriously value.
it varies per hero for example when i hook a reaper for some reason aiming for his mask mouth thing (closer to chin) nets more me damage than aiming slightly higher or mid head. IDK why but practice again bots of every hero or even better have your friend help and have them tell you the exact damage your dealing with slight variations in location. the HB on some heroes really doesnāt match and for once genji isnt the worse offender lol.
small lag also could be a factor besides just wonky HB. it truly varies tho. sorry i cant give me of an answer