Moira is an ez mode hero. She still gets punished in many ways from poor positioning, poor resource management, poor usage of fade, etc, etc.
Brigitte doesn’t suffer from that same degree of punishment. They’re quite different in this regard.
Moira is an ez mode hero. She still gets punished in many ways from poor positioning, poor resource management, poor usage of fade, etc, etc.
Brigitte doesn’t suffer from that same degree of punishment. They’re quite different in this regard.
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I appreciate the response but i was just poking fun at Genji players having to experience the same pain and suffering they’ve happily inflicted on Bastions for 2 years.
The part of OP’s post i quoted perfectly describes how hard Genji counters Bastion.
A good bastion knows not to shoot when a wild genji appears.Bait deflect out of him by shooting a few bullets,and then when he wasted it you shoot.
LOL people are still complaining about Junkrat? He shoots peas and is F-tier now. What more do you want?
Ye .He’s not OP , just annoying.
Genji doesn’t hard counter Bastion though.
I’d argue that Roadhog counters Bastion more than Genji does simply because Roadhog can pull Bastion out of Configuration: Sentry for an easy kill.
Blizzard dont seem to get especially Jeff, that “meta changing” shouldnt mean adding something so broken it will obviously change the meta.
The problem with Brigitte isn’t that she’s overpowered herself so much as that she enables a comp that more or less shuts down other team compositions allowing snipers to remain uncontested due to how well she shuts down Dive.
Sure you can try and use a Pharah to eliminate the Brigitte…but you run into the problem of Pharah being countered by snipers.
Somehow Blizzard needs to figure out a way to weaken the synergy that this Triple-Support + Sniper comp presents because it’s more or less beating out other compositions.
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Of course you can play around a counter. Again, this isn’t about Bastion. I was just poking fun at Genji players.
i dont like the concept of “hard” counters in general. its basically a trump card mechanic that requires less skill from the player than regular counters. there are counters to dive, but since brigitte is the first solid hard-counter, why pick all other dive counters if brigitte requires less skill? if you wanted to counter dive, would you pick Brigitte or McCree?
in truth, “hard” counters is a community-made concept. it does not belong in the game.
…but why?
There’s absolutely no reason to such a thing when they haven’t bothered anyone.
I’m not even a Genji-Main and I find this to be completely unnecessary.
I’m OK with poking fun at Genji players.
They’re the only main that has ever told me to go “F” myself, that I got “lucky” when I killed them, rage when they’re not being healed even though they go 1v6 into the enemy team, and usually the one that tilts on your team when things aren’t going right and blames everyone else for their losing streak.
They get a really bed rep, but much of it comes from that ^^^.
There’s poking fun when fun is due…
…then there’s instigating when it’s not necessary.
Also, we can’t cry about the community being toxic then be perfectly fine with being toxic and undermining certain players because of a vocal minority.
This goes for Genji-Mains, Mercy-Mains, Tracer-Mains, D.Va-Mains, Everyone-Mains.
This is part of the reason why I can’t stand the forums at times, the hypocrisy and bias is ridiculous at times.
Half the time this “poking-fun” is not even funny or in the slightest bit tame.
Just stop it. PLEASE.
I thought it was funny.
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I don’t get why you’re so upset about this. It wasn’t meant in a malicious way.
This is only half-right. As I keep saying, this argument always frames “punishing” Brigitte as killing her instead of removing her value from a fight.
Moira is harder to completely shut down than Brigitte is. With Brigitte, you can pick a Hanzo, Junkrat, a Widow or a Pharah and make her almost useless by denying her the space she needs to do anything. The vast majority of her kit requires her to drop her shield and enter the front lines. And even Shield Bash still requires that she maintain her shield health to use it safely.
Much of Moira’s kit (except for her M1 now) is either long range or can be thrown at range while ignoring shields and most other barriers. She’s notorious for being able to get her Ult incredibly fast. A Brigitte that can’t approach, however, is next to useless–only good for occasional Inspire uptime from her Whip Shot and the occasional Armor Pack.
Her win rates and pick rates are going up a fair bit. Almost 57%, 2% off of Symmetra’s. Does no one see this as a problem?
They don’t need to be, that’s kind of the point everyone has been making. You need high skill to counter Brigitte, she needs partial use of her index and fore fingers to counter half the roster.
No, you are parroting the issue wrong. It is not that you need high skill to counter her. Junkrat, Pharah, and Hanzo do a relatively good job just spamming at her shield. The problem that you are misconstruing is that it takes high skill to duel a Brigitte. That is a bit different than countering her as you need to be at range to counter her and since she can do absolutely nothing at range, it is not much of a duel, now is it?
Shooting at her from range is pretty ineffective to be honest. Less effective than shooting at most other characters from range. If this is countering then there are no words for what Brigitte does to CQC heroes.
I love that. Treat her like a broken hero who they nerfed repeatedly until it was considered balanced. Just treat her like that, and you’re golden.
See guys, she’s balanced, as long as you treat her like an unbalanced and overpowered hero!