I’ve never seen a more subjective statement.
-Stupidity is not a right.
Definitely. At least TF2 gets no unbalanced heroes for babies crying.
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TF2 has thing named “black list”, so any “unbalanced” items can be blocked in any serious games. Without removing them globally from whole game and taking away fun from casual games.
i love how you just made the title of this post wrong.
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“TF2 was objectively better then Overwatch.”
At least as far as I am concerned valve screwed up TF2 the moment they introduced the competitive matchmaking and threw the community servers out of quickplay by eliminating it.
The moment you cannot get people into your modded servers because you are one server amongst thousands and no one wants to be the first person in a server is the moment all the extra features became irrelevant to me.
I think Blizzard’s short films are also neato, if not as funny.
As for MvM, I think it should be mentioned that the matchmaker just straight-up can’t find enough players sometimes.
Open source vs restrictive play.
I used to play 32 player instant respawn tf2, payload only and it was awesome, non stop action, very chaotic.
I think OW trumps TF2 in terms of optimistation but I think the sheer options in TF2 make it feel like a proper PC title.
TF2 was always superior for 1 reason:
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TF2 is a legend of a game. But if 2 years on you’re still comparing overwatch and TF2 like in the 2015 “omg they’re rip-offs of each other!” craze you haven’t learnt anything.
as for the idea of tf2 being an e-sport:
- Valve never designed it to be one, and it shows
- the playerbase never asked for it
- TF2 still has great “concurrent player” numbers on steam but abysmal twitch numbers. It’s clear the game is more fun to play than watch
- Skill floor too high to be an esport. Like it or not, accruing 100 hours just so you’re decent at rocket jumping is a level of effort and investment that modern games just don’t have
- I guarantee you’d have the same level of “lul goats this sucks” attitude from the playerbase watching a TF2 e-sport, only to find that more than half the classes are practically nonexistent in the pro scene.
i could honestly go on but i don’t know if it’s worth the effort
Oof
Yeah this is pretty much it.
Please let me know where you found Overwatch’s story, I would very much like to read/watch it.
What a damning indictment of all spectator sports.
I tried playing TF2 again. And I used to enjoy it back in the day. Couldn’t do it.
it’s important to consider the fact that esports was a super niche activity on the level of, say, going to comic book shops to play MTG.
that said, i don’t think there’s necessarily a tradeoff to be made. Modern games can be both good fun for the player, while being interesting enough to watch.
edit: i want to add; this is the reason why TF2 had customizable huds and stuff but overwatch didnt - it’s incredibly weird for a person who just stumbles across the game on twitch to understand what happens in 140 viewmodel FOV RaysHUD tf2 (or whatever HUD and FOV you use). you have to tell them about rocket jumping, spychecking, forcing uber etc. with overwatch, they explicitly stated that the reason they went for “more heroes, but no unlockables/talents” is that they want predictability in fights. you see a pharah, you instantly know 100% what she can/can’t do. Paladins and TF2 doesn’t have this.
The thing that mostly made TF2 better than overwatch is the fact you can choose your maps and game modes and have more than 12 people in a game so games rely less on comps.
There is also the fact that there is a lot more maps and custom game modes like zombies and the halloween theme.
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I like overwatch much much more than TF2. I find TF2 lame, you can’t say TF2 is “objectively better” when a lot of people disagree with you.
when overwatch came out, I had a macintosh, so I thought I’d give TF2 a try
it was crap
it was not user friendly getting into a game, like there were actually lobbies and stuff
no one was talking
I played it for 30 minutes and never played again
one year later I got a PC and finally got to play overwatch
if you account for the massive advantage in development tech and knowledge and resources Overwatch had, yeah TF2 is definitely a more impressive video game
now does that mean TF2 holds up particularly well or Overwatch really doesn’t? i think’s that the real question
You can play who you like in tf2. you can’t in OW.
Game, set, match, tf2 wins. And that’s not just after no limits was changed, it’s the stupid anchor tank healer meta that they are going to enforce so screw OW.
tl:dr
“Because TF2 is a decade old.”
Almost nothing the OP mentioned was in the game until after it went F2P and I lost interest.
Almost nothing, except for his story complaints, which are just clearly wrong.