Tank change is weird

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Winton:
Tesla cannon penetrates shields and ignores armour (I know he is a tank, but brig should be able to hold off a tank for a little bit so someone can help her) (nobody helps her lol)

Ball:
Maybe the good one? Boop works. Holds him off for a moment. Can proc inspire off of mines. Shield doesn’t do much against AOE piledriver, if anything. She gets knocked around by on fire Ball, since that penetrates shields (I think). She can block his guns for a few seconds and assist her other supp, that’s about it.

Reaper:
He’ll have a worse matchup into her after the patch with the armour changes because he has pellet type weapons. Also, he sucks. A lot. So that’s nothing new.

Venture:
The only thing Brigitte can do is plop down her buggy AF shield and pray she blocks the Diggy Hole.

Tracer:
The thing Brigitte was designed to counter, I believe. I think the armour changes will make it a better matchup for Brigitte, since Tracer does pellet damage non? But Tracer has mobility upon mobility upon mobility, and can dance around Brigitte while she flails and slowly dies.

Moira:
Succ goes through shield, don’t think it cares about armour. I think she can stay out of whipshots range and still succ.

Doomfist:
Slam and punch ignore the shield, right? I KNOW punch does, dunno about slam. Pellets. But I do not know if Whipshot takes Doom out of powerblock, in which case Doom is the only Tank Brigitte can maybe handle for a few seconds other than Ball.

Echo:
Obliterates Brigitte.

Pharah:
Armour Change won’t do anything. Whipshots won’t do anything. AHHHHHHHHGG

Symm (lol):
Feeds off of Shield. Might get whipshot, but can feed off shield for charge and might be able to microwave her.

Kiriko:
I dink don’t dink think dink that dink Shield dink can dink stop dink Kiriko dink for dink too dink long…
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Dink

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Wrong wrong wrong ow2 has rotted your brains. A good brig doesnt challenge at all. She defends her other support. The brigs you fight are too stupid too understand what she does best. A brig and an bap positioned well are unkillable it takes the tank and dps dying fir them to become remotely vulnerable. Just because you fight brigs that int doesnt mean the hero should be balanced around that. Ask any high rank player what the most op hero in the game ever was theyll all say brig

Doom punch can be cancelled by shield bash like a rein pinning.

Sym doesnt feed off anything shell never reach brig or max damage before she dies.

Pharah and echo may be good into brig but brig always pairs with either ana or bap guess what they do best.

Moira suck doesnt go through shield idiot it never has. Only the ult does. Guess what ana sleep dart and brigs stun make quick work of that.

Tracer brig cant miss and need i remind you stun during ult sleep dart and lamp will deplete tracer before she can kill

She litteraly hardcounters venture.

Reaper wont damage her enough to kill.

She hardcounters ball watch yeatles ball rework video and count how many times he gets wipshotted back stunned and just gets farmed for inspire

Winston in cant survive long enough to kill brig

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What’s hilarious about this new age is that technically we’ve just done a fully cycle.

We’re back to S1, but tanks will be even stronger and the dps passive exists so supports are actually weaker than S1 relative to the current landscape despite having also been powercrept. Which is hilarious.

It absolutely is just them doing random power creep changes as they stubbornly refuse to just try 6v6 again.

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Jesus you are pleasant. Sounds like you just want to turn genuine conversation and honest game discussion into a measuring match. Let’s flop it out on the tables, boys! We got one with a lift kit on his Ford F-250! And underglow! Let’s see how tiny THIS one’s head is! And I don’t mean his brain!

Doom:
Yes, can be cancelled by bash. It still IGNORES her shields. Point? There’s an ability to counter, so the end result of maybe holding the doom off will work.

Symm:
… Symmetra has teleport. And you said dive heroes. And for some reason, Sym is apparently a horrible amalgamation of all the different strategies. She can get close enough, and has her turrets. She can feed off the shield. Point? Also,.you ASSUME someone is going to:

Notice Brigitte in Trouble

Assist Brigitte in Trouble.

Most people don’t give a damn. I don’t care how high your rank is compared to mine, but unless you’re in comms or have teammates that listen to you or have monitors on and can help, you’ll get microwaved. Ya ken?

Pharah, Echo:
This isn’t about Ana or Baptiste. This is about Brigitte. Damn, you called me an idiot and you can’t even realize that we’re talking about a singular hero en spécifique, as Baptiste would say?

Moira:
Sure. Succ doesn’t pass through barriers. Ain’t no reason to be rude about it, ain’t no reason to be any less of a human being, ya ken?

Also guess what? MOIRA CAN FADE IN ULT! Also, we’re not talking about Ana. We’re talking about Brigitte. When she gets close, fade behind her. She may have used shield bash already. Your point?

Venture:
Venture’s abilities go through shields, unless we are talking about ult or primary fire. I do not recall off of the top of my head how much damage each Shock does to shield. While Brigitte can whipshot Venture out of burrow (during windup) and might be able to stop drill dash, that does not completely hard counter Venture. That simply stops an ability from happening, and allows Brigitte to better hold venture off, and maybe get a pick. Soft counter, maybe now that I think about it.

Ball:
Screw content creators.

Winston:
I don’t know what Winston you’re playing with that he sucks so BAD. I don’t know if you’re below me in Bronze or WHAT. Are you in Cardboard? Wait wait no… Compost? Compost 3? The biggun GOES THROUGH SHIELDS.

And with that, adieu. I bow out of this measuring fest, where nobody wins because we all still play this game.

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Not really a buff, the old armor is worse off because it’s situational. And only really works on sustained damage.

The head shot reduction is nice, but like their just taking more damage overall.

this is also a nerf to brig/torb, who just lose out of on functionality without the extra tank benefits.

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Mind blow #289371 on the Overwatch forums:
Usually when people say “no one” or “nothing”, they don’t literally mean no one or nothing.

Speech skill increased :+1:

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The change’s will just making counter tank more needed because if he is the many problem people will try to kill it and it doesn’t help that the tanks have the biggest hit box’s in the game so they are easy shot’s to land

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Don’t worry, counter swapping won’t be an issue when Orisa is the best pick because she doesn’t die…

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Explain in your own words how you think this is giga buffed

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You’re really telling on yourself here, implying that DPS haven’t always had solo carry potential.

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Supports were hard boosted before the dps passive. Tanks were unkillable raidbosses.

All you’re telling me is that you’re a healbot support.

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Yeah, uh huh. Sure.

I’m just saying, I’ve seen a lot of DPS players completely pop off and carry their teams, in a lot of matches, at a lot of elos, on a very regular basis over the past five years. Heck, I sometimes carry matches as a DPS even though I’m apparently a braindead healbot mercy onetrick.
So the fact that you’ve had to convince yourself the DPS heroes don’t have that potential is kind of just… sad.

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Dps are fine right now with the dps passive being at 20%, before the passive they were cosmetic unless they were strong. Like Tracer at 6 damage, Cass when he had range, hanzo when he had his one shot. Hanzo is trash right now, but you get what i mean

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They are changing tank in all the wrong ways to make them actually less enjoyable. Tank after these changes will actually be less fun to play. How have they not realized that making tanks even more bullet sponges is going to have the opposite effect on enjoyment. If they reverted the season 9 health changes for tanks while also doing these changes maybe things would be a little better.

What they need to do is cut half the sponge away (health) and give them more impactful skill expression in their abilities to mitigate not this bs inherent value.

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You got to be joking, they were strong before, they are even stronger now, you can keep telling yourself that it’s a cosmetic role but if it was weak why would people play it the most?

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I think you didn’t put in the time as a tank in 6v6 as a solo queue player. 6v6 isn’t going to bring back tank players, because 6v6 is what chased them away in the first place.

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The sheer fact youre only defence is a personal attack shows how little you care. Hers my advice if someone knows what theyre talking about listen to it. Go do some research on the facts. And maybe then you can defend a character as horribly designed as brig. But trust me goats is brigs fault. Double shields is brigs fault. In fact season 8 where no one wanted to play dps because no one was dying all brig. Its always brig her kit pushes a breakpoint for survivability. Id love to see her nerfed out of the game entirely. But saying shes useless might get her buffed instead. Its not true shes 100% viable and dominant especially into dive

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subjectively, being the solo tank in OW2 is even worse, so its choosing the lesser of the two evils

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Yup. They so refuse to backpedal on their change of 5v5 they’re gonna pull all kinds of mental gymnastics to try (and fail) to make it work. Instead of reworking shields somehow (Orisa rework was overall fine, other than numbers, I guess) they chose the nuclear option and are still digging out from beneath the fallout.
All it ever was - DPS complaining about shields. Now DPS are speedy and they reduce healing, so not only did they get buffs as a role, but also have only one shield (if that) to deal with.

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Tanks are even now a raid bosses, dealing too much damage for how tanky they are.
“Tanks are getting deleated in a seconds”, sorry dude the 5 man literally pressed all their buttons on you, you should die.

I don’t know how will everything else be playable after the changes.
Game code TDSY9D. How opressive will this Ball be when changes come? He literally solo won the game. Sorry but playing the game when I am a minion for a hero to farm is not fun game experiance.