What do you base the fact that she is weak on?
random youtube videos on the internet like
Her abysmal GM pickrate. GM pickrate is the best correlator for hero strength, historically.
Good. Should stay that way. 
So I was right and you just hate the hero. Boring!
Yeah, she’s a boring hero, you’re right. Any hero that requires no thought and just can plant turrets deserves to be F-tier.
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compared to what?
watching people wombo combo CC chain people to death with doomfist?
one shotting people without doing much of anything as a sniper?
If you’re playing like that in any tier above silver you’re trash and not going to win at all.
Sym is a hard hero to play when your enemies are skilled. I guess you wouldn’t know that though.
About as hard as peeling a carrot, yes.
Symmetra just needs her turrets more often, maybe like a 7 or 8 second cooldown per turret
Truuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuue she needs help
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Comparisons unfortunately are necessary even if they have minimal correlation. Not many pick Symmetra because she’s not META and will refuse to try her out since she requires more effort for comparitively low gains against heroes in the META or are just more viable independently. So comparing against META/strong heroes will help illustrate a point to those players.
I do it to the Sym instantly because she has to get close enough.
I get that you’re trying to nuance around how outclassed Symmetra is but c’mon. Fact of the matter is, Symmetra is a close range hero with no protection or mobility, her ramp up mechanic isn’t even a serious threat. On top of that, she has long cooldowns on gimmicky abilities.
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i wouldn’t normally disagree
but you’re also doing so against a hero specifically designed to output damage, to a hero designed to have defensive/supportive elements
having utility is different than damage
symmetra can’t utilize her utility effectively, and her damage is almost moot because of how easily she dies
both of those problems aren’t far off from being fixed, so she really doesn’t need an entire overhaul or anything, she’s almost good, but the problems are still big enough that it causes them to be nearly useless
i get what you mean, but it’s… still not a one-shot
again, i never disagreed with that
she dies fast
that’s her probolem
but, again, charge 3 symmetra is a big threat
giving her too much self sustain would just end up breaking her once she got a pocket, more so than other heroes might be
it… is, though
it’s the highest sustained dps in the game next to bastion
that’s… a serious threat
it’s just she can’t hold it long enough for it to be much of a threat
burst vs sustain is a huge difference
especially in a game that favors burst damage, but again, that’s a game problem overall, not really a her thing
yea, 3.0 launch teleporter was… kinda… better…
and, as i mentioned, turrets should be on separate cooldowns, honestly
i mean, those things can even block widow shots/hooks
increase their hitboxes in flight (not collision, because people already flame about having them latch onto the wrong area, their terrain collision should be lowered)
but make it so she can use them to block damage, and those would be really scary if she could use 3 every 10 seconds
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She brings only one thing to the table. A gimmicky teleport past the choke IF the enemy doesn’t see or hear it.
Outside of that every other DPS is better. The ones that aren’t have the same problem as her. Why pick her when better choices that have less counters and can counter.
Sym doesn’t counter anything. Somehow they nerfed her to the point she has less niche than day 1 F-tier Symmetra.
And day 1 Sym had a better chance cause the damage in the game wasn’t so high as it is now
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-screams in fan the hammer crits-
-screams in 50% damage boost and 50% discord-
killed by storm arrows before a hammer can be fan’d
Edit, 50% discord wasn’t day 1. Day 1 Zen was as trash as Sym
funny part is, scatter was worse
time to kill a tank was lower than storm arrows
and normal dps, at that point
oh?
i could have sworn it was
that’s p silly
edit: it… looks like it was, according to patch notes?
yea i… i used him a lot at 150 hp…
-sobs in 150 widow body shots out of spawn-
Despite our differences on answers, I can agree this is the problem to solve. At least you’re not like THAT guy with clear anti-Sym bias.
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yea, i mean, of course
i’m not going to sit here and say she’s perfect
but i also hard disagree with any huge sweeping changes
she can work, just not well enough
that means big changes aren’t the answer
unless she goes back to support and is a real support like i wanted her to be since day one, or even a tank…
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