Successfully used on point 1, which has always been the case. They forced her onto point 2 to use wall but failed and swapped off.
Again, she’s been a point 1 hero for her whole existence. Her rework failed to change that, it just made her slightly better for OWL.
No. But at least the teams had some team fights with Symmetra and she finds her uses every now and then. So far all the other mentioned DPS were used on less than three occassions total, so I’m wondering why is Symmetra mentioned specifically here, even though she definitely isn’t in the worst spot of all Damage heroes played in OWL.
She isn’t in the best spot, of course. But so aren’t… dunno, 10 other heroes or something. It’s pretty much Tracer, Ashe, McCree, Mei, Echo and Sombra that see major playtime and other DPS characters are just there to fill in a certain niche.
Why don’t we make topics for all the heroes that aren’t played?
Totally! It used to be “Well, if we lose the first point switch off and pick…etc…” Now it’s more like “Let’s get the first point or try to with symm and right as we no longer need you for literally one ability, switch.” Except now she’s not picked to sit in spawn and then swap for the lulz during OWL!
And the fact that it’s still relevant after 4 years says something
that people still dont understand why sym wont ever be what they want her to be?
we just want her to be able to reasonably get decent uptime for her job on her own like pretty much every other hero that doesn’t historically/typically have viability issues.
Even without the 2s at the start Sym is more picked then these Hereos, the 2s at tge start dont even get counted into the playtime because you have to play a Hero for a bit longer time in order to count it
Can you please explain why? And what “they” want her to be?
Everytime the conversation pops up about her she’s always compared to all the generalists…why can X have so much range…why can Y do so much damage…why does she have to be niche…etc etc…
“We just want her to be good” comes across as a bit disingenuous…because what it really sounds like is that we’d like to be able to use her whenever like everybody else…and she’s just not meant to be that…
I doubt very much that the sym discussion stops if they make her stronger and she still only gets marginal more usage…That’s not what’s actually wanted from/for her…and that’s where the disconnect lies…cause the devs don’t want her to be what we want her to be…that was never the intent for her (and it has nothing to do with favoritism)
That being said I’m sure the devs would like to make her stronger…but it’s really hard to do that without just pulling her out of the place where they want her to be…torb and bastion both suffer from this as well…it’s a very thin line
but here’s the thing:
We’ll never come to an agreement on how good she is within her niche…the community that is (not specifically you and I)
And like I said getting that “right” …ie - perfecting that niche so that it’s “satisfactory”… is hard to do (maybe impossible)…
so I think ultimately the solution ends up being…another rework…and while I can’t say that I speak for the devs…I can pretty much guarantee you that they have next to zero interest in reworking her a 3rd time
Saw her played on Lijiang tower, broken on that map
the stats legit say she’s not good enough in her niche for how narrow it is. like when generalists are getting about the same winrate as her or even better while still being picked more often, I’m pretty sure like that’s a no-brainer conclusion…
not really. I already quoted to you the solution without need to rework (tho depends on what one defines as a rework tbh).
renumber orbs around being faster projectiles so they’re aimable in more ranges, make tp have a cd mechanic more like old 3.0 tp while making sym herself specifically able to interact with tp sooner after placement.
all those changes will do wonders for her. probs won’t fix everything, but it gets a significant way there.
I suppose failing twice would create that attitude.
How are you possibly spinning this into a bad thing from your perspective. You’re basically saying we should be okay with the idea that we’re “not supposed” to main a hero like Sym but “are supposed” to be able to main other heroes?
bastion might have more time from when glads played him idk
doom definitely has more time, so does genji, hanzo, and reaper
Specialist doesn’t mean higher win rates…shouldn’t equate the 2…if it did then there wouldnt be a need to use anything other than the specialist ever in those spots…it just means they arent intended to function outside of their “spot” (or do 1 thing - whichever way you prefer to view it)
People will scoff but I believe 3 different OWL teams (might be more - I missed a few games) have used sym successfully this weekend…If she was truly terrible I doubt you even make the consideration let alone actually try it…
Value is a hard thing to actually measure in OW…How do you break down a mei vs a mccree for example…global win rates likewise don’t mean much…in particular when we aren’t even talking about all situations
On the contrary I think it’s actually very hard to actually pin point how good/bad she is (in her niche)…nobody is really making that analysis
Who saying it’s a bad thing? I’m Just saying that’s where the disconnect lies in the sym community…
You obviously want her to be “better”…Anybody would want their main to be…but there’s a reason why in her case it’s not going to end up improving much…
Ideally people shouldn’t main anybody…but that’s a different discussion
No, it’s as you said. Any hero main wants to be able to use their main outside of a handful of niche situations. That’s all it is.
We all want a lot of things…doesn’t mean they should or need to happen though 