Oh, she’s unique alright. Her current iteration makes her F tier unless she’s properly babysat by a healer. Maybe I’m laying it on a little thick, but going from Sym 2.0 to Sym 3.75? (I’m saying 3.75 due to the latest “buff”) was a downgrade overall.
She was a duelist in 2.0, even without the babysitter. She was a powerhouse when properly supported in 2.0.
Now, even a pocketed Sym 3.0 is going to be hard pressed to get anything done prior to being deleted. 2.0 could snowball the enemy team in short order if she popped in at the right time. 3.0 pops in, gets deleted, and leaves the healer wondering why they bothered trying to pocket.
Admittedly, maybe I’m just jaded these days that they took a perfectly good char in 2.0, and chose to dumpster it, when all they had to do was add the tossable turrets with HP, and she’d have been perfect.
The problem has never been TPing. The problem is that you TP in and you do nothing.
TF2 is a different game where the Engi TP has existed from the beginning. Not only that but Sym has been nerfed over it. If TP was constantly ignored… sure. But the issue is that Sym has been basically nerfed into a corner where her only allowed strength is this TP.
Engineer hasnt been dumpsted because he has TP. He isnt hold hostage by it.
That people ignore it is a tertiary concern. I dont care about it.
People didnt mind it. It wasnt reworked away because of people’s opinions, it was reworked away because they wanted to turn Sym into a pro-play hero… and they didnt like that.
Congrats! You do nothing. TP plays are only as good as Sym is a functional, threatening DPS hero. And she isnt.
Without team TP, Sym is just a low impact DPS with flaccid output and zero survivability.
It’s not that there isn’t a plan when the TP is laid down, it’s that when you get to the other end of the TP, the entire enemy team has been notified via the sound queue of the TP showing up behind them, and they immediately turn around and make you play ‘Respawn Simulator’.
That’s you not having a plan. If they all instantly turn on you, you clearly should not have teleported in because there was no distraction forcing them not to do that.
How many hours of Sym do you have, that you can tell someone to ‘Git gud’?
How much skill is going to make up for a poorly designed hero?
Even with god like skill with Symmetra, you’d still be better off going with literally any other character. Most supports will have more damage than a Symmetra on their team at the end of the match, and very likely fewer deaths.
Again, the sound of a teleporter materializing is very loud. About the only distraction that might deter one from turning around to investigate the TP would be an ultimate being used.
You TP in and you do nothing because Symmetra has no burst and no survivability. You TP in and you either dont get results or you die because you are made of glass and have a giant head hitbox.
Maybe you stopped intentionally cherrypicking on slight exaggerations and manners of speaking born from frustration, there would be a shade of an intelligent discussion to be had.
But the truth is that you will pretend that you know more about Sym than the (ex) masters player that has been playing Sym since OW1’s launch, because to me it seems you have no interested on an intelligent discussion other than the one where I bend over and say ‘‘you are right’’.
I really have no desire to have no desire to discuss anything with an idiotic contrarian that will deny the experiences of actual Symmetra players out idk. Salt that Sym isnt a free kill for Winston/Rein?
Or you know, a team fight currently creating pressure and threatening death if ignored by turning around to deal with a Symmetra as soon as she’s noticed
Also teleporter isn’t even a tool you should be using to get behind people all the time. Getting to other teammates to help them, getting to highground to beam somebody close by, reaching an off angle quickly, or whatever team related strategies people may interact with.
It has all sorts of uses beyond escape or flank and the hp buff just makes the flank option a little bit safer.
I don’t think we should be asking for sym to be less team dependant and more solo carry potential to be in line with the other heroes in 5 v 5 team deathmatch that is ow2.
I think we should be demanding a return to form from ow1, where most heroes are more team dependant. Encouraging comms and team work. Especially with 6 v 6 tests, this is our chance to show blizzard what players want. Bring back emphasis of team strategy.
In any coordinated play environment, everyone is familiar with all the strats used with the teleporter. The very first thing everyone does is turn around to figure out if it’s a teleturretbomb or if someone is coming through it. If you’re not doing that, your gamesense is about a 3 on a scale of 1-10.
You’re right on your point though, game sense is needed in order to properly deploy it, but that same game sense goes to the enemy team as well. They hear a teleporter pop up behind them, or around them, they immediately investigate.
Worthless. ‘‘Oh she can off angle and bla bla bla’’ and? Every other DPS hero can apply pressure while having lethal power too.
Pressure is worthless if it doesnt come with the ability to maintain it and progress it into a winning condition.
Sym isnt peeling anyone in time from any tank or flanker. She has no burst. What is she going to do? TP to apply emotional support? Thoughts and prayers?
Stop trying to teach how to play Symmetra. I can play Symmetra better than you ever will. Its insulting that you think you can plant your feet, put on your clown make up and try to teach a 5k hours Sym how to play Sym.
And that’s all well and good, just because the enemy team inestogates it doesn’t mean it was automatically a fruitless endeavor.
I just won’t abide the idea that she’s useless because she’s very much not. Symmetra is one of those hard to win with characters in higher ranks, but she’s also relatively easy to play so that’s exactly how it should be.
Symmetra gets worse the higher you get in rank, but she’s still usable and still good in lower ranks.
How many other characters have to endure that? Typically the more skill you possess, the more lethal you become with the character… You’ve basically said it doesn’t matter the amount of skill you have with the character, once you get to top tier play, she’s not worth the bang for buck, contradicting your earlier post.