Supports have robbed tanks of their role, killed dps diversity and pigeon holed themselves

Odd that you say that considering the main point of my thread is that healing has taken power away from tanks and that we should reduce healing but increase tank survivability.

They did, and the game is better for it :stuck_out_tongue: Now they need to do just a bit more.

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Well, if anything I do have an idea that would make it possible to remove some healing from healers.

Make it so that after getting a healpack, you get a temporary selfheal passive, that heals 10% off the remaining missing health per second. However if you take or give 1 point of damage, this effect is cancelled.

Would make it so healers could do a lot less healing.

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Cant watch that video now, but ill look later. My math was based on medic doing 56% less healing while combat classes only have 12-25% less hp. Thats about a 30% difference. Regardless, you get two supports, and usually the second support will have better healing than mercy.

The enjoyment of playing tank is directly connected to the amount of healing in the game. I promise you that the number 1 problem people have with tank is the fact that it is so team-dependent.

The role of a tank is to create space and set up fights for their team. This is already a fundamentally team-dependent role. ON TOP OF THAT, your hp bounces around from the enemy dps and allied supports. Your healthpool is their battle ground. And if your support loses, you die.

In early overwatch, all the dps were basically ā€œfairā€. You could get in the face of a dps player and actually bully them for a decent amount of time. But over time, players started deathballing more, dealing more headshots, tank busters became viable, ā€œfairā€ dps were buffed to compete with burst damage, and healing was increased to feel more ā€œfunā€.

This MMO mentality that healers are meant to heal tanks needs to go. Having an fps game with enough healing to properly sustain tanks will never be healthy. Tanks should be able to get in and create a fight, but they shouldnt be full health at the end of it.

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Honestly I’m starting to wonder if healers even need compensation, their mobility and peeling is so high already they already can provide meaningfully.

I couldn’t agree more, Reinhardt shouldn’t need an Ana attached to him in order to function, he just should. It prevents the reinhardt from doing things without an Ana and it prevents the team from getting a supports attention.

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Well, maybe they could convert all healing to be percentage based healing.

That way 600hp and 200hp are healed at the same speed.

Percentage based would hurt everyone.

Tanks would receive heals comparable to dps, this means that either dps healing blows, or tank healing is excessive.

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Yup, that one.

Whatever healing changes they do, need to appeal towards increasing the number of Tank players in the game.

So your solution is to just not allow supports to do anything at all.

Lovely. Next thread, please.

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My solution is to let tanks be tanks again instead of them being on life support via support healing.

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They need to make the game enjoyable for everyone and not just buff and buff tanks

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Reinhardt requiring an Ana to support him and requiring the Ana to shoot him helps neither of them.

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Sure, I’m just trying to say that you shouldn’t sacrifice the quality and balance of the game just because of queue times.

They need to get rid of the idea that Overwatch should be balanced like the primary game mode is open queue.

With 2-2-2 it really doesn’t matter if Tanks have even more ā€œObjective Capture Potentialā€ than DPS.
As long as the duels feel fair.

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My OP is about the health of the game and not queue times.

You didn’t really address the issue players have with support utility though.

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The side effect is

Which is the problem.

What are supports meant to do, and if you give a pithy answer like ā€œsupportā€ without expanding on it, then you are just avoiding admitting the problem there.

The issue is, the supports should be able to have some impact in the game, if not from healing then what?

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Wanna know what would make the duels feel unfair? Percentage based healing.

There’s a reason I replied to Grey…

The issue with pushing supports away from healing is that any utility that isn’t healing is hunted to the ends of the earth
Rez? Complaints
Immortality? Complaints
Speed boost? Complaints
Damage boost? Complaints
High damage (not zen)? Complaints
Anti-heal? Complaints
Cc? Complaints

Every supportive utility that isn’t yellow juice is always complained about, from lucio boop to fade. I personally wish supports were made more like old brig and zen but it’s gonna take major changes and a lot of people whining

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Speed boost, discord, damage boost, resurect, shield bash, invulerability field, etc.

And you would need to be buffing the hell out of them.

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