Sidenote: From Jon Spector quote, it might be that Fox Girl isnt the only one behind the BP, but also JQ and Sjourn as well.
Do you have a source you can share for that?
Why the hell is he saying
That’s silly. Either put all 3 of them behind the BP or none of them. Don’t be cryptic or teasing about it either.
It feels bad yes but I will say your facts are not completely accurate.
I think supports are going to get new reworks, they were testing things with Moira and have done a complete change to Mercy’s guardian angel.
Zenyatta’s kick got reverted.
Whether you like the change subjectively for Sym, it objectively made her a better hero functionally and did make her more diverse (While I don’t think she needs to be a support I do think she needs help still but idk how possible that is with the dedication her fans have to her different iterations and changing her too much to be better can make her feels worse for the community that love her).
I haven’t personally heard anything about the watch point pack granting the new hero so I wont comment on that but she will be available to play for free through the free battle pass (still annoying though lol).
It feels personally really mixed because I like the direction of OW2 with the fundamentals but I’m worried about the hero I play (Mercy) to not feel like Mercy and feel clunky so I have to wait and see. I also dislike not being able to get the hero off the bat or at the very least the first new support hero. It feels pretty garbage to see a new tank and new DPS but not be able to play the new support right away. Kinda feels like a slap in the face esp since we’ve been begging for one. This esp feels bad because Echo was originally going to be a support but thus here we are left with scraps. I don’t even know if I’ll mind doing a free battle pass to get the new heroes, it’s more so the idea that as a support player have been waiting for a new support and everyone else got a new toy and I have to work for my new toy. So yes, it feels bad.
Well, Jon Spec quote was
“Addressing some incomplete info posted early about our Overwatch 2 Battle Pass – we’ll be sharing all details ahead of launch, but want to confirm that new Overwatch 2 heroes will be available on the free track of the Battle Pass.”
Heroes, plural. We know dont if he meant future heroes or those OW2 heroes, that would include JQ and Sjourn as well. They could clarify it but being clear is not their strong suit.
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Okay, so I watched all 4 VODs.
I can tell you’ve got significant experience, and you didn’t make a ton of glaring mistakes in general with Zen that would make you stick out as a prime target above your team. What did notice are things that are fairly minor by themselves adding up quickly to place you in a compromising position.
Lets start with what I think may be the easiest things to correct first. Harmony orbs. Something that stuck out to me, is you placing an orb on your teammates and when they go out of LOS with no way to easily have it placed on them you don’t place a new one on another teammate in LOS once it wears of. At least not as often as you should. This is factoring in ult charge on you and your fellow Support.
In VOD 1, once you passed the check point for A, your Echo didn’t receive an orb as she advanced above the rest of the team into combat. Your position was behind the payload after you made it through the choke and your original orb had worn off of the front line already. Your actions per minute is what will separate you from lower skilled/experienced Zen’s.
Also, in VOD 3 (round 3) 9:55 is a good example to at times prioritize your fellow Support like Ana, depending on the situation. I know there are a lot of factors, but in that moment you see the Pharah in the disatance, and Ana engaging in combat with her, stick an orb on her and go about your business until you seek out your next healing target that is in LOS & range. Even if it’s just for a moment. It’s easy to get focused on your next move, but try to think long term implications of every action you take and have intention behind it. If you’re looking to help out your front line, take a quick scan around to see what’s happening, don’t just move to the next spot.
Next, positioning. My thoughts are you have an understanding of not putting yourself way out to get iced. You also can use some fine tuning on positioning when it comes to flankers focusing you. Both Ball and DF made a ton of mistakes, but were able to heavily pressure and kill you at times that they shouldn’t have been able to. Utilize the geography of your environment for kiting when you can to mitigate some damage.
If you know a flanker is around or even if you don’t, but know there is a flanker hero that’s been picked, scan your environment. There were several times ball and DF both went out of your LOS and you basically forgot they were there and on the offense. Stick an orb on them, then scan where they end up, because it’s fairly likely they will make numerous attempts to pick you off after the initial disengage.
Take this time to predict where they will be and position yourself so that you have some cover or you’re near teammates that can assist. If you’re already on the payload and they are on high ground either place yourself on the payload at an angle that will allow you to move and avoid some damage by sliding off it, or move to a side while on the ground that will make them work harder to hit you. All this while making sure an orb is on a teammate if they are in LOS and while engaging your enemy.
If you aren’t near the payload, use the map to conceal you and play hide and seek. They need to engage you and in some ways this gives you an advantage of regrouping or forcing them to close the gap while potentially taking damage. Blend aggression with patience when appropriate. Basically when they make mistakes, you try to capitalize on it if you can.
There were times I got the feeling you were having a sensory overload with the information on your screen. If this happens, take time to think about what you are trying to accomplish in that moment beyond just staying alive. keeping up with everything is challenging at times, putting that into practice will yield positive results over time. You don’t want to be lost in a team fight because you aren’t sure what to do next outside of just doing anything to stay active.
While I said all those things, can certainly note that you made it a point at different times to put all those details into practice during your VODs. Consistency is the name of the game.
I really like your read on the Pharah of VOD 3 at 13:08. You could tell she was going to ult and positioned yourself well. Typically when I see a telegraph like that I’ve already been tracking said hero’s ult in my head and then formulating a plan for it. Soon as those rockets were being shot in the point I would stick discord on her then move out of LOS like you did and get ready to ult to mitigate damage not only on me, but my teammates. Well played either way.
I also like your focus on the DVA. Zen is so great to pick against both Monkey and especially Dva. It’s so powerful and just makes life difficult for either of them if they are really good at managing their CDs.
Another critique. Look up more often. These maps have plenty of vertical opportunities for heroes to maneuver in. You understand the maps and what’s happening enough that you can take a quick glance around as you move to your next destination for the moment.
I’m currently on VOD 4, and have to reiterate, scan your environment. At point A, even if we’ve already taken A, and the payload is unlocked, look around. More aggressive players will hurt you if they get the drop on you. However, if you don’t allow them to catch you by surprise, they have a higher chance of making a mistake and that ups your survival.
BTW, I also understand that things are more lax in QP. But if these are things you need to work on, you have to consider that repetition will make your actions second nature, even when it’s not always necessary. Make it a habit to look the direction you want to go when appropriate during your disengages. If you’re mainly focused on retreating with little to no chance of doing damage, you don’t want to slow yourself down by walking backwards.
Not much to say about VOD 4. I watched your teammates make a ton of mistakes and you guys got rolled because of it. Not much you could have done about it.
Overall, I can see you have a lot of potential. You’re selling yourself way short by saying you can’t improve from where you’re at. Keep at it. Don’t be discouraged by smurfs and throwers. Some of those smurfs are players that are just really experienced and not at the level you think they are at times. A lot of it is a knowledge gap, and you just have to do what you can to improve. The first step is believing in yourself, cliche as it sounds.
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Thanks for clarifying.
i quote only this line or will be too long as post but 've readed everything.
first gotta admit I’m quite surprised someone actually looked the vods. I mean I know we all have things to do and I never pretend anything. But still was (geniunely surprised)
I’ve noted everything you said, since I kinda onetrick zen, is the only support that I find fun
this is true, there are a lot of times where happens too many things so I pass from one decision to another without thinking.
not to be egocentric, but this is a skill of myself that I think is ‘‘innate’’ dunno how to explain, in every game I can tell exactly when a enemy ulti is ready and when that person is goin to drop it
… to make more clear in a example, happened a lot of times that when some friend of mine still played ow we were on discord call and I told him ''be careful, ‘‘FIRE IN THE HOLE NOW’’ and the second after we hear that ulti… or ''EMP INCOMING ‘’ , or ‘‘hammer down’’ etc… and the second after the said ulti was casted… that even my friend asked me ‘‘how the hell you do that??’’… I simply… know… sorry if that sound egocentric but I have this kind of thing.
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I watched and commented sincerely because I enjoy helping others who genuinely ask for help. I’m that way myself, and it takes losing our ego and accepting that there’s always something to learn and improve upon. Also, when I see others asking for help and no one is taking the time to do so, I like to do what I can, when I’m able to.
That sensory overload you deal with is something that really hit me hard when I first started OW, even more so than any other FPS before it. I had to work hard to train my brain to keep up with everything happening. For others it feels more natural, but it wasn’t my strong point.
You don’t seem egocentric about ult tracking. You’re relaying information about your experience to me and there’s nothing wrong with it. No need to apologize. It’s a skill and you should be proud of it.
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Pretty good actually.
Moira change was reverted (God Yes)
Mercy superjump offer more flexibility in movement
Brig (my favorite healer) is finally self sufficient with health regen passive
Bap was buffed
A new support hero is coming
I am not a main support, but I altern between tank and support, so all of theses are great things.