'Support, not Healer,' is a stupid meme

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Soldier’s ability to heal other is tied to a cooldown. The ability to heal others on Supports is tied to their primary fire or alternative fire.

For every single support, their main healing tool is not tied to a cooldown.

Roadhog does not heal others.

Because that’s what Blizzard originally wanted to call them when they had no defined nature back in OW1 beta. Torbjorn, Sombra and Symmetra would’ve been classified as Support too.

But by the end of beta, Blizzard went ahead and made sure that every future Support would be defined by healing their team.

In this game, Support is healing.

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This still falls into a legitimate complaint, since dealing damage, is mechanically demanding for the Damage-role. No amount of Damage-boosting from four different supports will improve that situation.

(Everything else above is correct, though)

Part of the problem with Supports (beyond the sameness), is that there’s little that can be done in terms of skill expression beyond healing. Looking at Mercy, for example, no matter how much the player heals or damage-boosts, the score is always going to read something like high healing, but little damage-boosting, because unless those Damage-role heroes and Tanks actually land their shots and hit things, there’s little can be done to improve that score.

You could be doing 50/50 in terms of damage-boosting or healing, but your score is still going to read 11k healing and 300 damage-boosted, because there’s nobody landing their damaging hits.

In the broad scope of the game and the playerbase, it is in the best interest that Mercy heals and damage-boosts her team. She can’t rely on her co-support to keep the team up and healthy, while she triggers Valkyrie and goes ham on the enemy team. No matter how good Valkyrie is, it won’t be enough to kill the entire team in a 5v1 as Mercy - unless the enemy team is extremely inept. Even that wouldn’t be ideal as the rest of your team should be enough to deal with that.

In more coordinated games, Mercy would have better chances of skill-expression beyond healing and damage-boost with Guardian Angel jukes and shenanigans. But for the general play, she’s limited here to largely healing. Because Overwatch is simply too fast and the Damage-role is simply too weak to do otherwise.

Cleric is still used.

Ironically, the modern cleric still has more spells for dealing damage and other things than healing, too.

Think of it this way…

In FF14, the Dragoon - melee specialist job that’s primarily focused on dealing damage and is classified as such - has several abilities that support the team through buffs such as Battle Litany and Dragon’s Eye. These abilities, despite being very powerful, does not qualify Dragoon as being a Support.

And likewise, both the Bard and Dancer jobs in FFXIV, have several more buffs that the Dragoon does not have, are also classified as “DPS”-jobs.

The healers in FF14, rarely have supportive abilities like the above mentioned and their primary focus is healing (and doing damage). But they would still be called support-roles because of the very act of healing is supportive.

See above. Soldier’s healing is tied to a cooldown. Support’s healing is tied to their primary fire or alternative fire.

Not quite. Brigitte requires actively hitting targets to trigger Inspire. And Lucio needs to switch auras in order to heal, as well as use Amp to increase that healing.

Everything else above is correct. (and a solid post overall).

There’s nothing wrong in the video clip. No one in that clip needed immediate or steady healing, (and they did toss a Biotic Grenade which is still healing). And no one nearby or in Ana’s immediate view required healing, so the situation is generally okay for the Support to do something else.

The problem is, in general play, you have Supports that aren’t healing when players are taking damage, and spending most of the time trying to deal damage instead of healing their team or supporting it. You could have a Baptiste player spending 15 seconds trying to hit an enemy Sojourn in front of him and the team, but while his team is taking damage from other sources, he’s still laser-focused on trying to hit the Sojourn, and his team is dying around him with little healing.

That’s the problem people are complaining about. That’s why Supports need to be focused on healing their team primarily. They don’t have 15 seconds to try and kill an enemy, when that time could be better spent on healing your team and keeping them alive against everything else.

Now self-defense is still important, and if it is going to take you that much time, you should probably be calling for some help. No one is going to be upset if you’re trying to stay alive against a flank attempt. But they may largely be unaware of it because the calls for help from Supports are so quiet comparatively.

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How? Reinhardt is the most standard tank as they come. How does that make him a support?

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Lucio? :frog: :musical_note:

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Even red book DnD has some surprisingly good damage spells.

Nope I stand corrected Red book only had 8 spells for cleric :slight_smile: (It says a lot about me, that I have it on hand :confused: )

  1. Cure Light Wounds*
  2. Detect Evil*
  3. Detect Magic
  4. Light*
  5. Protection From Evil
  6. Purify Food and Water
  7. Remove Fear*
  8. Resist Cold

But you could reverse Cure Light Wounds.

It was much later you could get things like Fire Strike. They hit things with maces (because they didn’t like shedding blood, which, if you have seen someone smacked with a mace…).

It was blue book where you got
Hold person, Cure Disease (which you could reverse… hahaha!), Insect Plague, and the ability to reverse Raise Dead.

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We have a whole kit to utilize. We’re support not healers. We help you with kills, conditions, etc. too. Are you just standing in the open hoping we can out heal damage? Is that what you think we’re supposed to do?

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Excuse me who are you calling a healer?

tries to kill op with his left click but it heals him instead

yes the even the icon for queue ingame stands for healing

Years later on and they are still named “support” and not “healer”.

You can go watch any high level match and see if high level players who play the game correctly by being a Healer or being a Support. That should clear any debate that everyone might have. Before OW2, it s not a coincident that Zen, the weakest healer, had been the meta staple for years.

With that said, you are free to play a dedicated healbot, it works up to certain rank for sure. After that, if you dont bring more to the table other than just healing, you will miss out half of the values.

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Heh, how about

Combat Medics
Heavy Bruisers
Damage Dealers

If we’re trying to make labels define design intention.

I hit you
You hit me
Ouchy be gone?

But overwatch is more

I hit you and get to pick the fights.
I hit you really hard if you don’t get out of my way
I technically help, but mostly I just run.

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Painkillers 20 chars

We’re talking about what people call the role, which is why I said “historically equivalent” and not “the same”. Plus all of the supports in OW heal a reasonable amount and there are even more subsets than what you listed

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Damage is literally called DPS. And Soldier is literally called Soldier: 76. And Hog is called Roadhog, Monkey is called Winston, Hammond is called Wrecking Ball, Sym is called Symmetra, KOTH is called Control, 2CP is called Assault, Hook is called Chain Hook, Bomb is called Self-Destruct, Grav is called Graviton Surge…

Adhering to official in-game terms has never been of importance to the community in the past. But of course everyone here already knows this.

Personally, I think that if anyone out there finds themselves offended by the term healer, they may need to ask themselves, “Why aren’t tanks offended by their role name, given that they do more than just tank damage? Why aren’t damage players offended by being called DPS, given that they do more than generate DPS? Why am I the one choosing to be offended by something that affects everyone?”

Maybe that’s a harsh take. Maybe some players have had bad experiences with teammates yelling at them to heal and do nothing else, but I’ve never experienced or seen that myself. At least support got an in-game name actually reflecting the role’s versatility. I would’ve liked for tank to be renamed brawler, but it’s not a big deal and I certainly wouldn’t have complained when people still said tank.

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So do heroes of every role :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Some WAY more than support does. cough Mei’s wall cough - that thing has more utility I think than the support roster has combined :slight_smile:

Yeah its silly how people think that support means utility box hero or just straight up DPS and healing is optional/secondary.

The role is only named ‘‘Support’’ because OW was made by WoW devs and in WoW healers are the exception and are healbots aside like 1 spec. They wanted to denote OW healers are not healbots.

OW healers are closer to DnD or FFXIV healers. Multitaskers.

I think it is aspirational, they WISH support was more about utility :slight_smile:

Yeah. I’m playing a lot more DnD than I am Overwatch these days :slight_smile: (not saying that is a bad thing though!)

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Overwatch itself has referred to supports as healers in the past.

That’s why I mostly play mercy and blue beam mostly

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The annoying thing for me is most of the time they seem like the type of person that genuinly thinks supports are heal-bots. They just get healed, I take a few kunai shots to get some poke in, they get low, they complain about not being healed instead of just playing cover, then say I’m a healer it’s my job. Like relax, jesus. I often have just as many elims as my dps, sometimes more. Supports can heal, and you’d think they should be called ‘healers’. The way I see it, supports do more than just heal, they can take off-angles, get picks, provide utlity, so they support their team, not just heal. So that’s just a choice of a different word I guess. Also, a lot of people, still act like supports are just heal-bots, so I think I have to disagree with you there

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