It is not harder to make a mistake on a support, in fact I am sure accross the board it’s easy enough to make a mistake on any type of class. Supports have the added pressure of taking care of other people, if supports make a mistake people die. It can’t always be said of dps, which you are trying to make a grand arguement for. I will say though if they don’t assist the backline, of course they can die as well. You aren’t really given leniency to mess up on support, because you are the one expected to cover for the mistakes of everyone else. Support need good timing, angles, cd management, and honestly way more awareness or you can screw your team. We’re not some autopilot role that just has it easy. Certain support characters also have to put in excessive effort because they were not quite designed for the style of gameplay this game has turned into. As far as newly released characters, Blizzard actually stated they make them overpowered initially for people to play. Every new character is like that, and it’s not limited to support. They have actually nerfed some of the recent characters. But yes don’t think that new characters wont see their day with nerfs, it comes eventually. Nothing should be made broken, but take that up with Blizzard. I am not diminishing any one role, but your concept of support is not realistic.
its a good thing that supports are getting nerfed; I have no empathy for you.
Anything bad happens, wraith, iceblock, recall, teleport, grapple, dash, etc. Tons of heroes have outs for their mistakes. The only valid point you made was that healing doesn’t have to headshot. Do you have to worry about angle? Timing? Positioning? CD management? What world do you live on where support doesn’t have worry about these? Especially now in 5v5 where more often than not people will push past your tank and try and get picks on backline.
So yea, you have to aim for the head. That’s the trade off for not having to look around and manage health bars. If I’m on support and have to damage in between heals I have to aim for the head to on the majority of heroes.
You’re right! Let’s get rid of all supports and have just lucio + zen. It’ll all turn out well, right…right? Nope, DPS will get nerfed because they’ll delete tanks too quickly, unless if that’s what you want. You’d be delusional to think lucio level of healing is enough for this game to function with all the damage in this game right now.
Lucio is only viable because he can be played with other supports that heals more. Or he’s in a comp that doesn’t rely on that much healing. But not all tanks rely on minimal healing.
I actually do play tank, and I quite enjoy that as well. I don’t see supports an issue when I play, and I personally feel like I have impact. If things are not going well that’s when I adapt with another character. Not all characters are meant to face certain compositions and/or enemies. And quite frankly I do not look at the other team who is getting a lot of heals or use out of their utility as having some op healer with them. I am more going to think hey those healers are good/and or doing a good job. Or hey, we really aren’t doing good enough, and how can we fix it. Any maybe it’s not even a we, maybe it’s a how can I do better. It’s not like every support is perfect, but support being a problem across the board is just not true. Also stereotyping every support as the same is just really saying a lot about your mindset, all supports are not stubborn, and all supports are not biased. Not all supports would agree with me. You are just really further proving my point though.
You’ll be the same clown who complains they never get healed or can’t 1v1 a Bap. I have no empathy for you.
I could not agree with this more.
Yup, Tanks too.
I miss any "Tanks from FPS games"?
I basically just disregard anybody who thinks Overwatch isn’t a Class Based Shooter.
The “Hero Shooter” moniker is basically just saying “Overwatch is an Overwatch-like”, which is both extremely vague, and a circular logic fallacy.
you didnt play that much in overwatch 1 did you.
in launch of overwatch 1, before people hated the game; the most healing you could get came from mercy and as i recall it was around 60hps.
now you might say “but thats alot!”, and yet its not when compared to today.
heroes like ana can do 90 hps (without her nade), kiriko and illari both do 100hps. plus the passive healing from brig + her repair pack and so on
the era of overwatch people loved was before the sustain creep. before moira, brig or bap.
when ana was the highest healing you had, but she was easy to dive to take out.
see you cant flip what i said.
because it doesnt make sense, top 500 dps players are talking about how hard it is to kill anything with top 500 supports are agreeing with them.
how do they “git gud” when they are already good.
ill be real with you, your probably a bad player. so nerfing healing would effect you and im sorry that would happen
but you having bad positioning isnt my fault its yours. we shouldnt be forced to play burst dps to cut through 100hps+ because you have bad positioning and poor awareness.
now im expecting you to get upset and say im ranking shaming you. and to preempt that, i want to be clear im simply guessing at your skill level based on the staggering lack of understanding you have shown here so far.
thats not ranking shaming thats putting your words into perspective.
It’s a good thing that supports are getting nerfed; I have no empathy for you.
I’m not the type to say anything about others ranks, but when you hear someone’s opinion about something and then ask about their rank, it becomes more clear how they’re thinking, and you saying this while being silver is halirous. You have zero clue what game you are playing.
im curious did you mean sympathy or what xD
you know Yapaness language, thats crazy, bro
doing a joke on the name xD
ooo didnt even realize the OPs name was empathy lolol
the guy actually tried too mirror a line i said in a post to em to try and “own” me or whatever.
i said
and he gonna come back with this
at this point i just laugh. the delusion in some of these support players is insane
to suggest i need to have perfect aim-bot level aim while its perfectly ok that their healing is either aimless or have massive hitboxes and can easily have 100% uptime + dmg mit abilities is crazy to me.
particularly when they didnt even know overwatch history. they told me we always had high healing
clearly they didnt play launch overwatch 1
I’ve been playing since beta and the only supports that have been massive reworked are Mercy and Brig. Why you would compare all these heroes to LAUNCH mercy really shows how out of touch you are with this role. Especially Ana who’s been out for years and is the oldest hero that wasn’t available at launch.
I’ll be real with you. You’re patronizing and fake, and no points you’ve tried to make really stand up, so you got desperate and started rank shaming, you even tried to pre-emptively prevent me from calling you out, because you know that’s exactly what’s happening.
Get your last word in, because I already know your type. All the best.
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i compared it to that because you said and im gonna requote you.
this is a provably inaccurate statement. the amount of healing has changed alot since 2016 and even 2017.
and it just so happens when that changed, is when people stopped liking the game.
are you following me here?
now until you concede on this point, im not responding or reading anything else you say lol
It’s really clear you honestly have nothing of value to add to the conversation for either side. You can’t offer any points of insight, but it has been fun to have my name justified. It was not chosen for my own characteristics, but for the lacktherof from other people. At any rate, as of this moment I have been everything from silver to diamond, not that people from lesser roles can’t accurately analyze a game or give opinions that might be valid. I can see you want to dimish everything I have said by saying I am currently in silver. This also makes sense since you have basically literally not said anything else.
also to answer this question its because it was the sudden burst of extra healing + dmg mit from the supports mixin with the dmg mit from the tanks that caused goats.
but tanks had to have dmg mit to survive in the low healing environments of that era.
its always been healing that created tank comps.
season 3 tank meta (ow1) was created by ana and her nade buffing healing by 100%.
the comp “slambulance” (i cant remember the season) was because of moira and her then very high healing.
goats was because of brig (and a lil bit because of moira)
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