Okay general question. Support carrying? How does it really work?
The only way I know of carrying with support is getting many kills with… really anyone that can like maybe Moira or Zen.
Then enabling your team sort of carrying which can be done in a variety of ways and plays.
I don’t play hard damaging hitting people supports except Zen, which I don’t play as often as other supports like Ana and Lucio. So how does carrying work at a rank like gold/plat for support? Enabling your team usually depends on … the team if they can use it or not I think.
So any other way of “carrying” in supports? Not that I think I could pull carrying off, I am mostly wondering how it works other than the main ways (that I know of least).
I realize I repeated a question thrice reeeeeee.
“So any other way of “carrying” in supports?”
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“So how does carrying work at a rank like gold/plat for support?”
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“How does it really work?”
I am not going to lie, I just kill things. When I tried being a support, I was gold. When I killed things, I climbed to diamond. I tried to support again and fell back down. Just kill things…
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How does anyone even climb above gold on support? I just don’t get it, it’s just so hard to win as support and I have probably >500hours on support. I’m already about to rank up to silver 2 on Valorant which wasn’t that hard and I only recently started playing it. But overwatch, I’ve been playing since start of last year, I’ve upgraded my rigs and still barely put a dent in my performance.
The only time I’m steadly climbing as support is when I’m playing brain-dead ana and just pumping out heals and DPS’ing any enemies that’s out of position. But as soon as I try hard baptiste, I start losing games even if I frequently get gold elim and healing.
So how do you carry as support? Just use broken heroes like ana unfortunately. The game doesn’t really reward your skill on baptiste in lower elos.
Mercy one trick community disagrees
Reddit Lucio community intensifies
Ashe, but she is Ana intensifies
Flanking Moira intensifies
Baptiste’s existence intensifies Zen also intensifies by existing
The dps supports unite… other than Mercys
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Other than getting kills, creating/denying plays (aggressive), and making big saves (defensive) are the three main ways to carry on support. Each support is particularly good at at least two of these other than imo mercy.
E.g. Brig is good at the first two, Bap and zen are better at the first and third and Ana is good at the last two.
It’s much easier to climb focusing on getting kills than the other two. Which is why a good Bap/Zen will climb much quicker than a good Ana.
Even if you do an outrageous amount of healing, it’s wasted on an uncoordinated team. So you’ll need to be doing damage whenever possible. Occasionally that can mean letting someone die. GM Baptistes often have more damage done per 10 mins than healing.
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As a support you are pretty much assisting people to kill things. Either with your primary fire, nade, discord, speedboost etc. Raw healing is important and does have an big impact but not to the extent most people think.
You’re not trying to keep everyone alive all at once, but those in the most critical/important fights to get you most value.
Every support has key abilities that can make game winning plays. You should know that you can’t really solo carry the game on any role, but you can elevate your team to win games they normally wouldn’t.
Ana: Getting antis on key targets, or just a lot of people at once. Hitting vital sleeps. Turning fights around with nanos.
Baptiste: Immortality Field denying ultimates. Getting high damage amplification from his ultimate.
Brigitte: Shutting down flankers and dive tanks. Making your team incredibly sturdy with strong heals, armour, and crowd control.
Lucio: Speeding Reinhardt into the enemy team, getting environmentals, and shutting down close range heroes.
Mercy: Getting a high amount of resurrects. Making squishies difficult to kill and giving damage boost to valuable abilities and ultimates.
Moira: Doing an absolutely absurd amount of healing and damage. Using Coalescence every fight.
Zenyatta: Dinking heads, getting discord on nearly every elimination, and big transcendences cancelling ultimates.
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Coming from a Brig PoV:
Staying alive is one of the biggest parts in actually carrying fights. I don’t know how many fights I have won by just staying alive and taking out enemy ressources like movement CDs. Plus if you stay alive chances are really high your second support or a really well doing DPS are staying alive as well.
Another point of Brig is more map specific but especially on KotH Maps whip shot can become the most annoying thing in existence. As long as you are aware of Enemy Hog/Pharrah you can completely shut down the small Bridge on Lijiang Gardens. If the enemy shield tries to block your whipshot they are taking all the famage from your DPS and Tanks. If they block their damage its pretty liekly that you can boop a support or offtank off the map easily tilting the fight into your favor with almost no risk at all.
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Simply keeping your teammates alive can absolutely count as carrying. Just like a broken clock, even bad teammates are going to win fights if you keep them alive better than the enemy can keep theirs up. It might not be as obvious as if you’re constantly lighting up the kill feed, but you know you’re the one carrying when your team instantly loses the fight the moment you die.
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As a support that’s climbed by a fair amount, you really need to be able to do things yourself when you have dysfunctional teams. If you have teams that work together and aren’t a mess then just playing well is good, then playing normally and playing well will work if you’re meant to climb. But that kind of playstyle just won’t work if the players you’re trying to support are busy suffering from brain rot. Raw healing only does so much when the difference is that drastic. This is why being a healbot gets you hardstuck.
Basically all supports (bar Mercy in some situations) have ways of carrying because they have direct value options that don’t need to be filtered through an ally. This means that if your allies just aren’t good, then you can still do things yourself. DPS not killing anything? Hop on Zen or Bap (even Moira is good here) and do it for them. Is your off-tank clueless on what peeling is? Go Lucio or Mercy and do it for them. Doom being a terror on your team? Go Brig or Ana and make his life as miserable as possible. If your teammates aren’t up to the task, enabling them only goes so far. Being able to make game-changing plays on your own is what separates the top support players from the rest.
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You’ve already mentioned the guy. It’s right in front of you.
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Lucio as a high damage support?
I guess Mercy can peel via healing, but isn’t brig also a good option here?
My issue with these when trying to do these all is that nobody can capitalize. And when I nano it either works out or the person I nanoed pushes in without thinking. So when they push in without thinking, it just kind of has them die.
Okay yeah I see this… I am only decent at enviro kills, I think I do the other two, but of course I’m judging my own gameplay.
… Yeah lol
Isn’t denying plays also making big saves?..
You deny a play which results in a big save.
try to find the balance between damage and healing like for moira and bap 10k heals and 4k+ damage try to aim for mercy 9k heals 1.7k+ damage amp ana 8.5k heals 3k damage the only one it dosent apply to is brig lucio just do their main jobs like lucio speed your team to a area and brig stop the enemy team progressing with ur cc abilities
Killing things help a lot, NGL. Even good mercies knows when to DPS and went not too.
You’ll need to find a balance but when in doubt, help team kill things always works.
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every bronze mercy now-a-days literally uses valk for damage and gets outhealed
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You can carry by healing the right things at the right time. It’s tricky as you have to anticipate where damage is coming from and where it’s going, and you don’t want to waste time or resources healing someone who is full or like above 80% hp.
Also, if you’re a support with CC, like Brig or Lucio, you can watch the flanks and make sure that enemies who are coming behind your team solo can’t do so. You can basically duel them okay, except for like McCree who can stun you instantly and delete you no problem. Just harass him from a distance and try to just not let him get behind your team.
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Hey, as a gm support player i can give you a few tips. Number 1 is deal damage, as simple as that. If no one on your team needs healing then dont wait but start shooting. And number 2 is die less, try to work on your positioning. My quick rule for that is to always try to be a maximum of 2 seconds away from cover. And the last tip is try to make plays, for example you need to almost always use your bio nade as ana agressively. Also bap his ult is a good playmaker, you get it fast and it can turn the tides of a fight.
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I had 19k heals in one match on Zen last night.
We lost, and my team’s D.Va in match chat: “Support diff, throwing Zen.”
Right. With 19k heals and 6k trans healing and 54 assists I totally threw. Had nothing to do with you running behind walls and being physically unable to turn your camera around.
Blehghghghh.
Sorry I’m a little salty.
The term for this is ‘triage’, and unfortunately the ability to triage well, swiftly, and without panic is innate and cannot be learned.
My boyfriend for example, can heal (because anyone can learn to heal) but he can’t heal like me, because I have a better innate talent for triage.
That said, very few people who don’t have the ability to triage even enjoy healing.
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where is your damage stat? that’s the one that matters most on zen.
