Suggestions for Mercy from someone with too much time on her 📝

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Your sheer hatred about a group of people who play a video game character is adorable. What do you do on the weekends? Print off mercy A4 posters and throw darts at them?

I actually don’t care about Mercy in particular.

I care about making as many characters viable simultaneously as possible.

Mercy just happens to be the current roadblock to that ideal.

I’m not particularly happy about Hanzo, or Zenyatta either.

[EvilYoshi-21564]

Needs maor graph pasta obviously

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Needs maor graph pasta obviously

“There shouldn’t be any mustpick heroes”.

Why is that such a controversial idea to you?

[EvilYoshi-21564]

Im actually just casually poking fun at you? I really dont see much point in engaging in actual debate anymore, were both just going to continue to state the same things over and over again, Ill keep saying that while im fine with mercy changes, I dont want to go back to the dark days of her been garbage, you’ll keep saying that pre-rework mercy was OP, we can keep telling each other over and over until were blue in the face, its not going to make anyone happy, I dont know about you, but im bored senseless of this topic, and I dont even go over it half as much as you do.

If blizzard ever indicate their looking into making changes into Mercy, I guess this whole thing will be worth a revisit, but their intentions seem to be, for better or worse, that shes not on their rader and hasnt been since her latest nerfs which were quite awhile ago now. So until then im just gunna get on with it and play the game.

So instead lets just have some casual fun/banter and make abit of a joke at each other? Seems like as big a win as we can get at this point

[Stockish-1293]

I was thinking about how not being able to move when casting res would affect it, along with decreasing the range on it.

But it is always interesting to see what weird angles a res can be pulled off from.

[Otamega-2461]

Still alive, still alive, still alive.
Someone reads?

[Melke-1420]

I read it… this idea of Eevee’s is still a bad one that dosen’t solve the problems people are having on either side.

[Dustystars-11116]

I agree with these proposed changes. Rez is essentially a mini ultimate and as such should have it’s own charge bar. Concentrated beams (as opposed to chain beams) in Valk is a great idea imho will definitely make the ult more dynamic and decision based. Valk’s ult charge has always been too low. A rework like this one in combination with the upcoming support changes should put all the supports on more equal footing

[Racillian-1752]

lets not go through another mercy buff / nerf cycle. Last one took a year to make mercy stable and actually enjoyable to play.

Heh looking at that right now makes things comical.

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Took 6 months to transition between enjoyable, to overpowered, to having the lowest skill-ceiling she has ever had, resulting in the least engaging playstyle she has ever had… She is currently in the least fun state she has ever been in, and I hate her…

Do the incoming changes get a double hate then; I’ll join you in the sentiment.

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lolno. She’s boring. Give me launch Mercy plz. I’ll take being a troll pick over her current state.

Well you might get the troll pick part, but it we’ll have to see if they even consider Rezzing the forgotten times before the rework or least do something else.

Mercy will still be picked a lot thou even with these changes; it’ll just make it feel worse to heal.

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I am half necro-ing this thread to bring attention to these great changes presented by one of the best mercy players in the game.

Certainly would a nicer more fun direction then the current one they have taken.

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sure thing i’m a bit late (i never visit the forums so i don’t know if it’s okay lol) but i totally agree and had similiar ideas in my mind, right now mercy is boring to play as and relies way too much on her team, with those changes she could feel more useful and rewarding (when i play her i just feel like a healing bot honestly, and i know that many people said that but that’s the truth, heal, damage boost and if there’s nobody focusing you and you have the time to do it and if you’re far enough from the enemy team, res.). I wish Blizzard would listen to you, and at least TRY those changes. (yes, this is my smurf, i have something like 70 hours in total of Mercy, even if they don’t sound many, i know what i’m talking about)

I’m edging upwards toward 300+ hours on Mercy and these would be more engaging changes especially with the healing nerf applied to them.

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I’m sorry Eevee but this idea has a ton of problems both on the fact that it borders on OP (look right now she is closer to OP then UP so we can’t do anything that’d be anything but a nerf if not just the same power but redistributed) but it also dosen’t address the problem of rez being a pain to use.

An alternate solution could be
Valk reduced to 8 seconds and chain beams removed
Main beam gaoes up to 140 HPS and 50% damage boost
The Ult key becomes Rez and has 2 charges during Valk that are instant

Rez is removed from her button key and is now replaced by something new
A list of possible abilities to tkae this spot
A CLeanse/Debuff immunity
A damage mitigation shield
Something that slows enemies.
A Burst Heal
An AOE burst of healing
Temporary Beam Augmentation
Or any wierd combination of the above

I’ll take these options too since IDK at this point what specifically gets changed about Rezz and Valk just something, show me a more “engaging” Mercy you were talking about Blizzard because it just seems that you cannot get Mercy in a happy place.

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Yeah… still not getting away, Blizz.

They are not and they doing another Revert this a stat one instead of cosmetic one.

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So… should I repeat myself about disagreeing with Eevee’s ideas or… ?

Sure its whatever at this point… sadly.

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Blizzard better talk with Eeveea about all this, she knows mercy the best

And Vale as well since they understand her more then Blizzard seems too (likely because they likely have way more time on her then any of one of the Devs since the game launch.)

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I feel like a dead horse cus everytime this gets bumped I feel the need to go on about thow these ideas while maybe coming from a good place would not solve the problems being had pertaining to mercy for anyone, they are a net buff to a hero who is already climbing to the top of the support roster (or rather is at the top right next to Zen) and it still leaves us with a cast time non sense

Heh nice of them to listen…

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I like how this is one of the only Mercy topics that wasn’t locked and thrown into the megadump, even though people like Titanium had similar, well constructed topics that got 404ed or locked. Really funny, could it be because this person is a streamer and not just a “normal” player? Hmm…

Life isn’t fair… at least one Mercy Main words aren’t trashed – I guess be thankful for that for now…

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Completely agree with everything this thread has to say.

I won’t say I completely agree but it would be a better direction…

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Yeeeeah. How about we don’t do that.

How about we rethink about that Rez is only on Q even if its only a solo Rez hmmmm…

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I hope they implement this part at least, because I feel like earnable rez would be the best solution to the whole “rez is op!1!” argument. And you’d have to actually be careful with who and where you rez since it would take time to get your rez back if you lost it on a reckless rez, so no more of those risky desperation rezzes.

I might suggest just cutting to the chase and make the Rezz the Q now and dumpster Valk (what’s left of its fun that is).

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I hate playing her or against her. She is sooooo boring. Just w m1 and shift. And for someone that loves support (anyone but mercy) I hate this sentence “can you mercy instead of [an actual fun hero]” or “not playing mercy is throwing” so in e the broken mercy with 4 rez es and 30 seconds mini trans, I have only pledged her in mystery heros. I hate her I played he on the 6 man rez time and it was more fun than now.

It was definitely more exciting if you weren’t one of those fabled hide n’ rezzers.

And now we’re going back to 50 HPS too…

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The healing would probably be fine if she didn’t have a Rez.

But the damage boost is crazytown.

Whatever then just remove it and be happy and while at it just go to chop up the rest of healing and damage boost…

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Healing for an ult that’s STILL lower then what Moira’s ult can do while healing multiple targets, 60% might be a bit extreme but it’s not too far out of the park, f you’ve gotta back between healing and DPS 50% is more then fine.

As for rez, just connect it to the ult and call that the reason it takes twice as long to charge as Coalesance and boom problem solved

Just make the Ult Rezz and its also done and don’t just forget about multi-rezz or screw it even more and just get rid of both Valk and Rezz and go back to the drawing board.

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Or you know. Don’t have rez at all if that’s going to be the Ult.

Well there you have it. People value it SO MUCH then fine good bye Rezz, but take the skeleton in the closet too… Valkyrie.

Replace with anything except for what has been there already.

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Rezzurect isn’t going anywhere so better to have it on the ult where it can be more easily controlled then a static cooldown

I not counting on it being in her kit by the time next year rolls around.

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Considering the average rez per game is only 6, with a realistic max of 8, I doubt that would make much of a difference.

Boy that Rezz is so OP now ain’t it. Just like 60 HPS. Well whatever, I doubt anything they do will actually make the game feel better short of another rework.

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The average number of rezes from Mercy 1.0 was roughly that as well
But denying first picks consistantly is much more valueable then the two or three people when a fight has long since broken out and definitely more valueable then a rare 5 man rez where the enemy has the chance to just annihialte you with their first shot and positioning advantages

In the end it wasn’t how many are Rezzed its about how much resources go in to make it possible (currently none because the cooldown is more a throwaway).

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I dont know what im more shocked by; that this thread hasn’t been absorbed into the mega-void yet or that GreyFalcon has went 3 posts without pasting his graph pic.

LOL

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Heh, well I tend to like using facts and figures instead of repeating the same few buzzwords over and over again.

You’d think Mercy mains could be a little more imaginative than “Revert or we nag the devs to infinity”.

How about disable her for a season to allow a complete META shift… like they would ever consider it hmm or removing E and Q as they stand.

But hey I’m not just going NERF MERCY SHE IS ON TOP without wanted to get better gameplay in-exchange.

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Pretty sure most have given up on that by now, the only time revert discussions seems to come up is when her current balance state is been talked about. Apart from the long standing threads like the mega-void etc.

Yes because why bother otherwise…

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Did you see the “our progress so far” thread Jeff made almost got turned into a mercy thread? If only we could of stayed the course, we could of forced Jeffs thread to be absorbed into it as well, which would of been hilarious on so many levels.

LOL wasn’t there for that…oh well.

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Said Gray Falcon in a thread where a revert wasn’t mentioned but instead was a big name Mercy player suggesting a rework that they think takes the best of both worlds and fixes the problem,
Eevee might have not at all been good with these idea’s but it had nothing to do with a revert

Seems like Revert is the witch hunt word of choice now (replacing Hide n’ Rezzer).

I just want change to Mercy not because I want it personally, but so that the community may at some point lose their fixation on Rezz and healing (in regards to Mercy), but heh maybe I just to see more crying as the community ruins the game with there own complaints about (mine included).

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Perhaps, but they are pretty much all some form of mass rez, or multiple instant single rez.

Or there’s threads like this one that just want the true power of two ultimates.

One the ones who say like me say try the current Rezz on Q and have earned (because its an Ult) and Clip Valkyrie down to an E ability that is short, no chained beams and no uninterrupted health regen. Try it, just try it to your ears since it probably won’t happen because Mercy is too much of a political hot cake…

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K, point made.

So we got “bad ideas” and “revert or nag the devs forever”.

Is that the best Mercy players can do?

Try mine (they’ll just nerfs afterall).

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Depends on how you define bad idea’s, I’ve thrown around ideas involving a nerfed Valkyrie with the rez connected to the Q button, and then a new more manageable E ability like a shield or a Cleanse or something.

Hey-O, I’m one of those… I even make suggesting include completely rethinking Mercy’s healing and Damage Boost.

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Your sheer hatred about a group of people who play a video game character is adorable. What do you do on the weekends? Print off mercy A4 posters and throw darts at them?

Its method of stress relief…

I actually don’t care about Mercy in particular.

I care about making as many characters viable simultaneously as possible.

Mercy just happens to be the current roadblock to that ideal.

I’m not particularly happy about Hanzo, or Zenyatta either.

The only issue you only care about those viability metrics which is callus and also unimaginative in addition Mercy changes wont fix heroes outside of the support class and she is not the only “roadblock” and the up coming changes will only dent the numbers for a while until it will look the same again in Season 12 because at least as far supports are concerned they are mostly knock-off lesser heroes because they divide their power between damage and healing unlike Mercy who dedicated to healing thanks to the Devs intent to make her that way which will continue the we’re better off with a Mercy on our team META.

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“There shouldn’t be any mustpick heroes”.

Why is that such a controversial idea to you?

Sounds like code for "We don’t want you playing Mercy so much why do want to play Mercy so much?’

How about more heroes with Rezz abilities then that puts more on par with Mercy …

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Im actually just casually poking fun at you? I really dont see much point in engaging in actual debate anymore, were both just going to continue to state the same things over and over again, Ill keep saying that while im fine with mercy changes, I dont want to go back to the dark days of her been garbage, you’ll keep saying that pre-rework mercy was OP, we can keep telling each other over and over until were blue in the face, its not going to make anyone happy, I dont know about you, but im bored senseless of this topic, and I dont even go over it half as much as you do.

I left forums for 3 months a its still the same when I come back to check. OFC my nerf train approach didn’t gather any steam at the time “Mercy is fine” LOL RIP those sentiments.

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I was thinking about how not being able to move when casting res would affect it, along with decreasing the range on it.

But it is always interesting to see what weird angles a res can be pulled off from.

Nah that just makes less fun and less outplay in its use. Better just to remove it at that point.

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Still alive, still alive, still alive.
Someone reads?

I just read good luck on reading to this point in my post IDK how long it is now.

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I agree with these proposed changes. Rez is essentially a mini ultimate and as such should have it’s own charge bar. Concentrated beams (as opposed to chain beams) in Valk is a great idea imho will definitely make the ult more dynamic and decision based. Valk’s ult charge has always been too low. A rework like this one in combination with the upcoming support changes should put all the supports on more equal footing

If you say so…
At least it would be more dynamic.

AND POST…

[RadioMelon-11191]

- Res cast time reduced in half
Valkyrie is supposed to enhance all of Mercy’s abilities, however this is the only one that is not. By halving cast time, Mercy is still vulnerable while rezzing yet doesn’t overly waste valuable ult time to cast rez. This would also compensate for shortening ult duration.

Don’t say things like this.

Now look, you’ve gone and scared the DPS away! Darn it, Eevee.

(She needs something to be done with her Res cooloff it’s not particularly great, is it?)

[Hydev-1215]

Remove infinite ammo? It’s a perk of the ultimate. Something you cannot do otherwise. I don’t agree with this.

I could do or not do with Mercy’s healing beam spreading during her ultimate. As long as I have line of sight and I am within range, switching between between allies is something I can easily do. I do this even with the spreading beam even though I don’t really have to.

I don’t think Valkyrie charges too quickly. Never had an issue with this.

[MerlinBrando-11655]

These ideas are just plain bad.

[EvilYoshi-21564]

I think we have our guinness world record holder for most reply’s in a single post, forget anything else, I tip my fedora hat to you sir/madam.

[FoxyWoxy0w0-2772]

Oh, i like your Rez idea, reminds me bit of the Medic’s ubercharge a bit.

[carbon-11543]

mercy - 100hps OR 60% damage boost, single target (switchable), 12s duration, proposed 2310 ult cost, ult is an improved kit

60% Damage boost stacked with Discord would make Ana’s Ult useless. I rather not see that at all for Mercy.

[Nintendotard-1125]

I’m actually all up for these ideas aside from removing tether from Valk, but I love the resource meter for Rez. Makes mercy more fun and rewarding to play like that!

[Arceus-2238]

Nice idea. Too bad it’s too complicating for Blizzard…

[Racillian-1752]

I think we have our guinness world record holder for most reply’s in a single post, forget anything else

Oh My Mercy, I didn’t even realize it length until now

Thou I probably have lost to Lithy massive replies in the Megathread.

[Racillian-1752]

@FoxyWoxy0w0-2772

Oh, i like your Rez idea, reminds me bit of the Medic’s ubercharge a bit.

Who’s Rez idea? Just wondering as it’s not showing on mobile who you replying to.

Hey folks,

Thanks for the feedback, however we’re going to go ahead and lock this up now. If you have any feedback regarding Mercy, we recommend submitting the feedback in this thread.

Thanks!