You… are kidding me right.
It is COMMONLY known that Winston was a counter to Sym. It is not a misconception. Literally everyone in GM knows how trash and how bad 2.0 was and how Winston or Pharah would kill her immediatly. If Sym wanted to do damage, she had to be in Winstons range.
No, it is people like YOU that create misconceptions about a character that was DEMEED by the whole community a throw pick, a character that was hated by the whole GM and Top500 lists because once she was in your team, you were edfectively a player down.
Yet for the Diamond and above group, seems like she was quite garbage. I think they won that one.
As I said, her winrate was boosted because she would be played in situations where she would exceed, win and never be played again. Thats why her pickrate dropped because people pick her now in more situations.
I am against it because we are adding something new to her kit, something she doesnt need. Good Syms know how to attack and engage, it would be lazy to just give her a moving barrier. It wouldnt synergyse well with 3.0 because it is not the same kit and the same playstyle. Stop forcing something that isnt needed just because you miss the PB.
Honestly dude I am gonna stop. I cant prove that a fact is a fact for you. I just cant lol. But yeah 2.0 was the best and most OP disturbing character that even XQC cant sleep knowing he has to fight against her in his games.
Yeah a common misconception I was a gm sym 2.0 and I can tell you I loved when people picked winston against me. That was just free real estate. Yeah you switch up turret placements to get rid of most of his value. Then shield gen once that’s up winston is actual trash vs sym. It’s one of the most predictable and easiest to shut down switches vs sym
You can say I’m the one with the misconceptions but that doesn’t change my effectiveness. I had a 70% winrate in gm. But yeah I’m the one full of misconceptions.
Why don’t you listen? Can’t even stand back and see how well that ability combos into syms new kit. It fits better than ever before. Sending it through tp. Using it to protect flying turrets. Actually making her combat strats diverse and require critical thinking. Rather than that just applying to her flank and tp potential. Yeah 2.0 and 3.0 have different kits so objectively look at this ability and see if it works
Your last line just shows exactly why the community has so many problems your just set in your old opinions and no amount of reason or data will sway that
I can see why you have such negative opinions of sym 2.0. Your comment says a lot.
Give people a chance ya know. How can you expect that from others when you pick sym 3.0. If you wouldn’t give the same to 2.0
I will say this one more time. Either buffs, nerfs, NO REWORKS. Discuss or leave. I dont care about PB. I dont care about 2.0. Say HOW MANY TIMES you want that winston wasnt a counter, her winrate wasnt boosted, and that she desperately needs PB back. But not here. I am talking about 3.0 BUFFS, NERFS, BUT NOT REWORKS This is the last time I am saying this because it is getting annoying trying to explain some simple facts to somebody.
I did give 2.0 a chance. She was terrible. I loved her, but she was terrible. She was the wort character in the game by far. Stop trying to say that she was OP when we all know she wasnt. Honestly I wanna hear MrTickles and Ferret’s opinions as they are 2 prominent people that know why sym was changed and how she worked.
I hope your day is as pleasant as you are
Thank you, hope you have a good day as well.
I hope MrTickles chimes in or Ferret comes as well. I would much rather hold a discussion with them.
her current state has UNCHANGED. idk why you acting like 3.0 was a huge upgrade when it wasnt.
She will get another rework because this was a fail rush attempt. So if you don’t want to discuss reality, then no point in discussing at all.
Her 3.0 rework is 2.0 with some minor changes (you can’t even consider it a rework) You can consider it as NERFS AND BUFFS because thats waht they did.
they nerfed her utility powers, her defensive powers, and control.
They buffed turrets a bit (not dmg wise, but in lowering number count, hp a bit, and throwable)
Primary and Secondary is basicaly a flat. Was not an improvement, but not a nerf.
At the beginning it was a complete utter nerf untilt he few buffs where they brought it to a falt state. I don’t see any change in her dmg output from when she was 2.0.
At this state. I rocked her in all her versions and even now. But now it’s just more tedious, less fun, and less aesthetically unique.
Its a rushed fail to attempt to change a char. The goal was clear from the beginning. To remove autolock and throw her aside for another year until rework.
Once OW2 comes out, we can expect another rework to her in the works.
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He wants to stay in his echo chamber. I doubt you can persuade him on anything.
Like an anti vax mom and Facebook
He even said he just wants to hear from ferret and tickles.
i know.
all of them just ignore the facts given from hardcore sym mains, while stating outrageous comments that don’t make sense like wth.
Thats why i don’t waste time on Tickle anymore. He just intentionally disregarding everything you say at this point.
Anyways. REWORKMETRA will be soon coming. its tradition to happen every year. Hopefully they actually give her the time she deserved. This rework is lamer than 1.0 god dam. at least 1.0 symmetra was not as infuriating and unfun.
Like cmon. at least actually remake her primary not copy your char’s weapon (zyra)…
Buffs or nerfs on 3.0 state. No more reworks. I am done talking about past formes. Suggest buffs for this state we have now or leave. Thank you
I can at least have a conversation with tickles though. We disagree a lot but he at least listens
she is gonna get reworked. Buffs and nerfs alone wont fix her at this point. she has a CORE KIT design problem. Period
She will not get reworked again. The devs said it. I dont say she was such a game changing chararacter. Just that she is the best she has ever been in a long time.
Also whats the problem with wanting to hear MrTickles and Ferret opinions?
But where would you put it? On console she doesn’t have any other buttons left.
Unless they simply replace something like “hero details” as the default button
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My idea was to put tp and turrets on a construct ability. No cast time you just pick what you want and then it gets used.
Just like Moira’s orbs.
You leave photon barrier as an ability because it’s instant. And the small amount of time matters more. It’s not as important with tp and turrets as both of those abilities have cast time
The devs never stated she will never get reworks anymore. If they mention it at any point, they most likely stated at this time. They will of course not rework her right after one they just did.
But they will again after Overwatch 2 thing finishes and settles down.
The devs have shared their mistakes with the current rework is and how hard it is to currently balance / get right. ATM they are focusing on these minor buff changes. They are open to rethink her design if they see the core issues they are trying to fix do not change/ improve – which they havent
if you want it or not. it will happen because the issue is obvious, poor core kit diesn problem
They have stated some weeks ago that they are done with reworks as 2 of them were meh(Torb and Sym) while 2 went horribly wrong(Mercy and Hanzo), and also because they divide the community. We also dont know if Overwatch 2 is possible at the moment. While the evidence is there, we dont know if OW 2 is coming out this year.
They are taking baby steps with this kit because they are trying to see what works and what doesnt. It also doesnt help that not many metas features her/suits her. She works pretty well in bunker and can do some damage against goats, but it is not the best pick. Sym 3.0 is unfortunate but she is definetly an improvement over 2.0. She will get constant buffs that help her, and they will fix her with this kit.
I’d disagree with which ones you said were horrible
You keep saying sym 3.0 is a improvement. Maybe for you because you like playing her. But what shows that she is an improvement for the community as a whole?
Reworks change a character and have tradeoffs. If all that’s being added is an ability with no tradeoffs it’s not a rework it’s a buff.
Then it will still make the character overpowered. We saw that with Dva and Mercy. Mass Rez transformed into single rez but still no castime, no penalty etc. Dva was given rockets and was cut 2 seconds off DM. Hanzo’s rework received nothing but buffs and some Storm arrow nerfs.
If Sym got her barrier back, there needs to be nerfs, as she will end up OP. You shouldnt be able to protect a turret bomb every time you use it. Again, PB is not needed for her. We shouldnt combine 2 characters that have different abilities and different playstyles just because people miss the first part.
Also I thought you were leaving? Since people still bring 2.0 into discussion when I said that we are talking about buffs and nerfs but no reworks.
Anyways, as I said more than 5 TIMES IN THIS THREAD, either discuss 3.0 or leave. I will ask you politely to leave if you are going to keep talking about 2.0 or how her PB was so great. Please, and thank you.
Yeah that is a genuine good concern. But the thing is photon barrier has always had a very long cooldown. If sym were to do a photon barrier turret bomb she would be sacrificing all her cooldowns. That would be an extremely dangerous play especially if they enemy don’t fall for the trap. And it would leave sym vulnerable
I don’t think she would turn op. It would be a net benefit to the game. Currently the community doesn’t think sym has many good matchups. If we had a risky in combat defensive ability it could give sym a chance in duels. Photon barrier is a defensive move. That’s very important as she doesn’t win duels by just using the ability. She has to have timing and prediction to deny key moments in fights. In almost all games offensive moves are stronger than defensive ones. As the defending move needs the other to attack to do anything.
The biggest thing we want to avoid is sym being a must pick. So she can’t outshine the rest of the dps. And the implementation of photon barrier won’t do that. Other dps still have there areas where they can be more effective and sym will have her own spot. It would be healthy if the ability was added to the game
Yeah mixing kits just to mix them isn’t good but that’s not the reason I advocate for photon barrier. That’s why I think shield gen shouldn’t return on sym or lock on. But photon barrier really fits her new kit well and would make the character more dynamic and interesting as a whole