Reinhardt hasn’t been the definition of Tank for over a year. So please stop conflating his specific issues to mean all Tanks, especially when it comes to discussing Brigitte. She isn’t countering D.Va, Orisa or Zarya in any major ways, so to try to pretend any issues you’re having with Reinhardt are shared with the whole class is just deliberately misleading.
The fact I’ve seen people literally stating off the back of this that “she counters a whole class” (which incidentally is fine for Reaper), is just infuriating.
And it rolls on from similar Sombra complaints.
Please stop it, and be more specific. It’s actually more helpful that way for everyone.
Yours, a D.Va/Orisa main.
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And Orisa and Roadhog and D.Va. Also stop making topics saying Brigitte isn’t broken.
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I don’t have nearly the d.va hours you do but in my experience she’s still an “avoid if at all possible” hero for me
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Aside from saying we need time to get data, I do have a single issue with her; her permanent ult which I have mentioned. If she is broken, I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as people are making out.
I’m just asking that people be specific instead of trying to exaggerate things to make them look worse than they are.
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Lol. She counters Winston pretty damn hard.
2/3 of main tanks are countered by her. And she can just ignore Orisa, or just walk up to her, bait out fortify, and use one of her two CC abilities to ensure Orisa is useless.
Edit: Because her two CC abilities have shorter cooldowns than Orisa’s Fortify.
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We had more than a month of data. Why does Comp data matter more than QP?
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The worst she can do is stun and break your death dealing rhythm.
Keep your boost handy when she is close and boost through her.
In my experience, boosting towards her is a pretty bad idea. Unless you want to be stunned, stranded and demeched.
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As this is clearly a repercussion of my argument against you, let me clarify that when I said tanks in the context of Brigitte countering them, I meant Winston, Roadhog and Reinhardt. I think it’s fair to say she counters tanks pretty well considering that in the meta she’s used in, Zarya isn’t really effective because of the double up or in some cases I’ve seen triple barriers being run. I understand that Reinhardt is the worst case scenario in this, but I was thinking more about Winston when I was mentioning her countering tanks since rally negates most of Winston’s damage without needing much outside of a q press and grouping up.
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Not towards through and around like you would do if Hog hoooked you.
If she stuns you you do the same thing.
it’s not that she kills me as d.va but that she utterly shuts me down. Cancels my missiles, boosters or both and obliterates any chance of me doing the whole “d.va pounce” thing. I understand thats her intended purpose but these are issues that span most of the roster and 75% of the hero’s are partially or complelty shut down by her.
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Anything that takes you within 6m of her as D.Va is bad idea. Doubly bad if you use your only means of escape to do it.
Extra bad if her team are behind her… and they usually are.
Meanwhile Orisa probably isn’t ignoring her, and normally has a number of team mates around her. Stunning Orisa usually means she’s still in position, it’s stuff like Charge and Roadhog’s hook that take her well out of position away from her shield that are bigger issues.
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Brigitte does counter D.Va though? You don’t feel it most of the time because she’s too busy whaling on your main tank or healer, but if Brigitte makes up her mind to focus on D.Va then you’re not getting anywhere within striking range of the enemy team without getting smacked around until you’re out of mech.
And she counters winston and she counters hog and rein. So yeah I’d say she counters tanks.
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You know maybe I see bad brigittes but I have yet to run into a brigitte that is really stopping my rein on her own without help from someone else.
My friend who mains Rein was complaining about it today and this morning (yesterday I suppose) I told him to play healer and watch me go at brigitte. 1 time in 6 games I got booped off the temple map. Other than that every encounter she died to my hammer. This was qp, so at most plat maybe diamond was not looking at profiles, let’s say plats.
She counters my Winston and Hog pretty hard though.
You speak Truth. Reinhardt has been dead long before Brigitte anyway.
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I’ve been doing fine on Roadhog and Orisa against Brigitte.
I just picked up rein recently and started playing him alot and I obliterate her when she overextends. The problem is the opportunitys she opens up with that stun she can stun me as rein and have her team focus me down at the same time or stun/boop and I can no longer protect my team. By herself she’s not so bad but you throw in doomfist, McRee, or junkrat and the stun and knockback combos become to much for him to handle.
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Agreed, but if you are playing any 2v1 scenario you want to avoid it. With competent players on the other side you will always lose.
I’m talking team fights don’t know why a rein would go 2v1 or be anywhere without his team. All those stuns are shield downtime for you or your allys to die. And I honestly don’t know of a tank that can really handle all that cc. D.va is my most played and she’s no good as main tank and gets beat up worse, same with hog and zarya cant do enough alone either. Winston is countered harder than rein leaving only orisa as the real option I guess but even she struggles pretty hard when more than just bridge are on the field. I honestly think making bash unable to hit through shields would fix almost all these issues and still let her eat flankers alive. That’s my best guess for a fix.
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