Still no genji buffs

Genji is fine and doesn’t need buffs.

I know this and so do the devs.
And guess who balance this game?

Hint: it’s not you or any other Genji main.

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Someone’s calling me a Genji apologist in another thread omg​:skull::skull::skull:

This man called Genji a must pick and then ADMITTED Tracer was better😭

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Wow the enemy must have really been bunched up close if all that happened in 0.75 seconds sounds like you got outplayed.

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I’d consider that a success to be honest you forced the enemy to burn incredibly potent support cooldowns so now they don’t have them for your team follow up (and if that didn’t come then why did you blade at that point)

Tracer got hard nerfed when hse was at 5 damage rein just got a huge nerf and so did sigma both got nocked down alot rein to c teir sigma to c teir some time b teir depending on the map

Genjis has been a better pick then tracer a total of 3 time in the history of ow and thay was launch of ow1 a random nerf to her back in the day and launch of ow2

And how quickly did she get buffed right back :joy:

Rein was over performing in their stats, and honestly he’s still very good. And with Sig they didn’t nerf what made him good.

I’ll admit they don’t actively make sure anyone stays meta besides Tracer, but they do seem to try and keep a similar meta.

The middle one took like a year then genji was nerfed for 3 and a half

Because hes popular hes just like genji and mercy hes just a cool hero and a fun play style.

The problem is his combo was somthing helping him alot in higher ranks personly i think he needs to va able to cancel his suck so he can get temp hp in a pinch instead of having to wait so long.

And meta granny shes literally been meta or hard meta for 7 years

A year is still better than 3 and a half.

But no, I was talking about the damage nerf in OW2. I don’t know a ton about OW1 since I didn’t play it.

Ya ow1 genji was not good for the second half of its life span he was good on launch because people weird like trash at the game and still learning and genji had his triple jump teck leap teach his deflect tech his dash tech along side having no neutral game counters in the support role then we got ana moira brig genji got buffed then nerfed them left then buffed for a few months then nerfed and the game slowly died and i i noticed if you look a google trends every time genjis nerfed the game died a good big and when hes buffed the game comes back a good bit but thays probably just quinsadince

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A thing people don’t talk about nearly enough is deflect.

Deflect hitbox being big meant that he wasn’t hard-countered by every AoE in the game, and meant he could properly stop abilities like Ana’s nade (she HAD to wait the deflect if you were close enough), now everything just basically goes through.

And if that wasn’t enough, they just kept adding 50 million things that go through deflect. Almost no ult post-release is deflectable, all he can deflects are vanilla heroes ults like Grav, Blizzard, Reaper or Cree.

The ability is dog poo nowadays.

Already happens with zen and Dva ult :man_shrugging:t2:

And yet he’s doing great. I’m not opposed to toning down Ana and/or being the rest of the Supports to her level of impact :+1:t2:

If he does plummet without the Omni present Ana/nano then I’ve no issues with improving him in whatever way is the funnest.

I dunno… for whatever reason the devs really don’t like touching certain things and go to extremes avoid them, or simply ignore them :man_shrugging:t2: It’s entirely possible that while he’s highly picked she is atrociously underperforming, but I just don’t see it…

They actually talked about this in one of their recent dev updates. There are some characters that the community doesn’t react harshly to being meta, even if they’re meta for a very long time. My personal observation is that Ana is one of those characters. Most other support (Brig, Mercy, Baptiste and Moira especially) get immediately complained about and cries to be nerfed if they become meta even for a second. I’d argue Kiriko will probably end up being another example if she ever becomes hard meta again.

Lucio and Zen are probably two other “safe” choices, but not nearly as safe as Ana. People tend to hate the Rush metas Lucio enables, and they definitely hate being deleted by Zen’s discord.

Well he’s never gonna get 29 damage so I guess he doesn’t need anything xx

No you don’t know the sweet spot because those “years” were not in 5v5 with one tank and drastically reduced CC both of which were huge buffs to flankers including Genji hence why all of them even Reaper got nerfed in OW2

Genji was OP with 29 damage. He got nerfed. He’s not getting it back. The Devs know this and they have said multiple times that he was too strong and that now he is balanced. The end.

No that’s quite obvious because of how incompetent the developers are

Still needs it though

Gengu buffs = decrease in sellings.

Or you simply don’t understand anything at all and want the only hero you play to be stronger than every other hero despite the fact that he’s performing decently enough.

I don’t main Genji because i don’t enjoy playing him. That’s why i don’t have lots of hours on him.

If he’s such a bloody weak hero, why do OWL teams use him, eh? Get out of here with this nonsense already. Genji is in a good spot. He doesn’t need to be buffed. If they buff him, then what do you think will happen to the lower ranks where the majority of players are? Smurfs will ruin the lower ranks even further than they already have.

It’s pointless trying to add any sort of facts to this debate sadly. They’ll just try to shoot them down with moot arguments. :slight_smile:

Why, though?

I already brought it up in this post, but it looks like Genji only lost two natural breakpoints: the ability to two-shot squishies with a Headshot+Melee, and the ability to three-shot a Reaper with Headshot+Strike+Melee. Every other breakpoint he lost was either with some type of damage boost and/or really only matters for letting him insta-delete characters with the healthpool of Reaper or above.

And even in the case of that first combo, he can still get the kill…but he just needs to use Strike instead of Melee.

what happend?

no he not

and killing the game insanely fast support is already the most impactful role in the game

and he would i guaranty that

ya definitely not under performingshe the most op support in the game right now. why does every other hero have to have a good ult or good neutral when she just gets both

ana has multiple treads a day on here twitter and Reddit about how shes ruining the game for tank players or is just un fair in general what are you talking about?

yes we do because even tho those years where in 6v6 its still aplicable because guess what hps is more spread out s odamage needs to be higher so you can accualy pass that hps.

no he was not

ya and so did other hero yet accualy op hero dont get nerfed as hard looking at ana sojourn kiriko bap all stronger heros with way more impact then genji does

the devs lie and cant do basic math.

yet again they leave accualy op hero the devs are a bunch of bronze to gold players they dont know what they are talking about most of the time look how the handled mercy she was perfectly fine season 1 yet when sojourn was the problem who do they change mercy genji heroes that arent the problem. this dev team is the worst i have ever seen R6 has better devs that listen to thier comunity and talk about what they plan on doing so they can get player feed back not with this indi team

show number because what i have foundon good trends is ever genji nerf traction goes down and every genji buff traction goes up.

i main support my guy and play support way more then any other hero. i also what hero that hard counter genji buffed like sym and mei but sure im the on biased not the devs with sojourn and ana

so what are his pain point can you tell me that because i can tell you all his pain point with no problems

because one its owl they play as a comp insnaly well and if you accualy watched it and listen to the players he was only played when brig and ana for nano and dives with brig thats why had to have another hero go with genji to even make him work and only people who did play tracer went genji. and ill ask you this why was sombra played so much she had a insane pick rate guess why its because she has one job health pack because that hp pack can turn fights.

how about you accualy look at the games an not data noise because that a bad way to use data and its how you get people killed in the real word in my line of work so i understand how to use data very very well

it matters because of one feel 2 consistancy look at rat he just got buffed by 10 so he has a 30 damage threash hold while genji has a 12 at 27 and a 24 at 29 so less then the no head shots needed rat

I genuinely think he’s a throw pick if you’re playing at master+ level, especially without a duo to pocket you or just a pocket.

The ones who think he’s overpowered are most likely playing in the metal ranks, where mechanical skill and awareness are extremely lackluster.

I’ve actually witnessed how the metal ranks and incompetent players go about dealing with him when I was playing with a couple of friends who are relatively new to Overwatch in Quickplay. My friends were getting extremely frustrated that a Genji was bouncing around their heads, killing them, and it usually took 2 or 3 of them to deal with him, meanwhile I was able to kill him with ease as Ana, which was what I was playing at that time.

The point I’m trying to make is that if metal ranks or incompetent players are already struggling with Genji, then how do you think it’d be if he were to get buffed? It would just be a slaughter, which is kind of what Season 1 taught us.

I think the best solution is to just do what they’re doing with Moira and give him a rework.