This whole stat debacle on Brig has resurfaced for whatever reason. This time I’ll let you all decide.
Below are the monthy stats of the supports and some of the damage roster. It is taken from all ranks in PC.
Supports containing Brig
DPS containing Torb
https://m.imgur.com/sIMoIGd
As you can see Torb has outperformed Brig on every statistic besides on fire rate.
So what is it? Are the both OP? Or are they both trash? You cant have one and the other and then try to back it up with their statistics.
So choose for yourself.
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The solution is to buff Brig for 2-2-2, and nerf Brig for 3-3.
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a) Brigitte has 200+% of Torbjorn’s pickrate
b) A character that was created to counter a specific comp is being picked very little in ranks where that comp was never prominent anyhow, what a surprise. Sure, she used to be picked before regardless of that but that’s because she was obscenely overpowered and could work in any scenario regardless of anything. She is still insanely strong, just not a free win anymore.
c) Her winrate is still through the roof
d) Lower ranks are meaningless for balancing.
e) She is a horribly designed, braindead character that should have never been created
f) Developer has literally said that she still is very strong, implying that he still thinks she could get nerfs
g) She has 90+% pickrate in pro-play and GOATS is not played 90% of the time
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Brig’s stats within the context of the supports and Torb’s stats within the context of DPS as overbuff calculates them are not directly comparable. It would be if the relative numbers of DPS and supports matter, but Brig’s usage in goats is in the tank slot.
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Torb has always had a high winrate because he’s very situational, so you pick him in those situations, then you switch off if it’s not working or if the rest of the map isn’t good for him, so his winrate is skewed a bit because if you switch off then lose, that doesn’t count as a loss on Torbjörn.
I reckon the situation is similar with Brig. Either you have a nice deathball and you steamroll the enemy, or you’re getting countered by Pharahs and Hanzoes and doing awfully so you switch off Brigitte.
a) I just proved to you it isnt.
b) Jf she was insanely strong shed be picked more in the ranks where the comp she isnt good in doesn’t exist
c) so is torbs. So is Symmetras.
D) this includes EVERY rank.
e) that’s an opinion. And a biased one at that.
f) dev said she USED to be strong. Other said shes USELESS.
g) we are not pros. Open your eyes.
My point exactly. Supports will automatically have higher statistics than DPS categories because of their lack of options. Theres currently 6v15. And if Brigs stats look like that then it’s an indicator that something is wrong.
Which is outside of 3-3 you will be running her for mixed to low positive results
So if someone wants to use statistics, everything else needs to be factored in… that or just dont use them.
a) There’s a screenshot by Dysvalence that literally debunks what you’re saying
b) dive comp doesn’t exist in plat so no reason to pick her and goats isn’t played much either there.
c) brigitte has twice the pickrate of torb and symmetra combined. and torb and symmetra are typically played on 2cp and hybrid where their winrate gets skewed by the fact that in case of a full hold they receive fractionally more games_won than games_lost in a scenario where they swap off after losing the 1st point. that’s not the case for brigitte as she isn’t a niche defensive pick
d) ranks below grandmaster are meaningless for balancing. grandmaster stats account only for 2% at best of total stats. masters account for 5%, etc. when looking at “all” you’re basically looking at an average of gold and plat since those are the largest playerbase
e) it’s a fact. she is the easiest hero this game has ever seen while also being the most overpowered one
f) developer in charge of balancing said that she is still very strong
g) didn’t prevent you from whining about tracer or genji both of which underperformed in most ranks of ladder, even in M and high GM. but the reason I said that is because you are trying to push an agenda that she is useless, but she isnt. she has a niche that she works in and she is very strong there. But you want her to be a pubstomper that you can pick in any comp is something else.
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it’s not 6v15
torb stats you posted are calculated within what used to be the class of defense heroes
meaning, it’s 7 supports vs 6 defense heroes
the categories are not updated
symmetra is still in support
That assumes that Brig competes with the other supports for pickrate instead of the tanks or DPS, and that’s honestly not an assumption that we can safely make, which is itself indicative of a problem, but the point stands that comparing Brig’s pickrate solely to the other supports is questionable.
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This was the whole point of the thread.
But people think this is an agenda lmao. Smh. We need a balanced game, not a biased one.
Why did you need to ues a capital D…
anyway… your talking against a wall. You can show stats after stats, it wont change the mind of biasd players.
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| Hero |
Role |
Absolute PR |
Relative PR |
| Genji |
DAMAGE |
4.34% |
13.96% |
| McCree |
DAMAGE |
3.99% |
12.84% |
| Reaper |
DAMAGE |
3.23% |
10.39% |
| Hanzo |
DAMAGE |
3.12% |
10.04% |
| Ashe |
DAMAGE |
2.64% |
8.49% |
| Widowmaker |
DAMAGE |
2.46% |
7.92% |
| Junkrat |
DAMAGE |
2.03% |
6.53% |
| Pharah |
DAMAGE |
1.62% |
5.21% |
| Tracer |
DAMAGE |
1.52% |
4.89% |
| Sombra |
DAMAGE |
1.12% |
3.60% |
| Soldier: 76 |
DAMAGE |
1.08% |
3.47% |
| Mei |
DAMAGE |
1.05% |
3.38% |
| Torbjörn |
DAMAGE |
0.92% |
2.96% |
| Symmetra |
DAMAGE |
0.78% |
2.51% |
| Doomfist |
DAMAGE |
0.68% |
2.19% |
| Bastion |
DAMAGE |
0.50% |
1.61% |
| Ana |
SUPPORT |
10.28% |
28.97% |
| Moira |
SUPPORT |
6.67% |
18.80% |
| Lúcio |
SUPPORT |
6.33% |
17.84% |
| Mercy |
SUPPORT |
5.19% |
14.63% |
| Zenyatta |
SUPPORT |
4.93% |
13.90% |
| Brigitte |
SUPPORT |
2.08% |
5.86% |
| Reinhardt |
TANK |
12.41% |
37.12% |
| Zarya |
TANK |
7.31% |
21.87% |
| D.Va |
TANK |
4.91% |
14.69% |
| Roadhog |
TANK |
2.66% |
7.96% |
| Winston |
TANK |
2.39% |
7.15% |
| Wrecking Ball |
TANK |
2.06% |
6.16% |
| Orisa |
TANK |
1.69% |
5.06% |
Here’s how the pickrates actually are once you use the proper categories
New phone… still getting used the keyboard.
But yes basically.
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If they’re serious with role queue, I suspect we’ll see that eventually.
Can’t wait to see people try to justify buffing the support with the highest win rate.
Perhaps, but I’m looking at balance changes for the next month or so.
Not the next year or so.
I kinda roll my eyes when people talk about winrates, when they don’t understand that they are usually anti-correlated with pickrate.
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Overwatch is OP.