I, for one, am looking forward to getting my Rein vs Rein duals back without having someone just automatically set up plays for both sides (ie bash to earthshatter combo). That was the best part of playing Rein!
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most tanks already have the advantage against brig.
heck even rein already has the advantage.
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This is how the forums work.
- Character gets a nerf
- “welp, they’re a throwpick now”
This has happened for just about every nerf.
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It is huge because Hog is literally a better counter dive as neither can disrupt a shield. So people are going to go with the better one and I am annoyed because now I am going to have to go Widow. Against Brigitte I could get away with playing any character I wanted to outside of Reaper and Tracer and honestly, Reaper was not even half bad against her.
She just takes down the shield dude. No one says she takes the shield down then single handily kills 2 tanks, lol.
Rein beats her 1v1, bash or not, but now he doesnt even have to fight her, just hold shield and her pathetic DPS is easily outhealed while his team easily chops her down from the safety of reins now mostly invincible barrier.
On that note playing rein may get more boring as his value as a shield bot just increased a large margin.
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In a one vs one dual certainly. It’s the ability to playmake with minimal risk and zero counterplay. The big thing this stops is the bash to shatter combo that happens when teams are running mirror Reinhardts.
I would just like to highlight that since brig will no longer be able to stun through shields, brig can no longer counter herself. At the moment when I play brig I focus rein and then when he’s down focus the brig. Now since I am usless against both I’ll just go straight for the ana or dps ![:blush:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/blush.png?v=6" ":blush:")
You wanted her nerfed. But actually by changing the shield bash she can no longer counter the enemy brig, so brig will be even more powerful. Its like people dont actually think before they request stuff.
Your teams brig was the one keeping the enemy brig in place, now she cant do that with this change brig will be even more uncounterable.
As a brig I no longer have to be worried about the enemy brig stunning me. I can walk into your backlines and kill someone and escape now since I wont be punished by your brig. I hope you all enjoy being stunned to death in your backline dps and supports, Im coming ![:smiling_imp:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/smiling_imp.png?v=6" ":smiling_imp:")
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That is generally when there is a rebalance with compensations and people claim it will dumpster the char, like the roadhog changes.
It is extremely rare for a constant nerf train to smash a single char repeatedly for months on end.
At some point she will have 50HP and a 100HP shield that cant bash at all, and people will still cry she shouldnt have a shield at all, or a weapon, cuz bad design…
Never once will they explain why its bad design or provide any reasonable statement about what would be better, just parrot what u heard online like the cool kids did, lol.
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Wut?
Hook is much harder to land than Shield Bash and the nerf will do nothing to disrupt Bash vs any dive hero other than Winston. Even in the Winston case, a little thought will still keep it perfectly effective.
Also, Hog can’t burst heal his team, give armor, and aoe heal them on-top of that, all of which, has always been the most effective anti-dive parts of her anyway.
You’re going to have to excuse my doubt at the notion that the hero that is unmitigated ult charge for Reaper outside of a single telegraphed CC ability forces you onto Widow, while the hero that passively halves your damage against the entire enemy team was just hunky dory for you. 
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Hey there’s kind of a sea of other posts going, but just wanted to point to you and say that is the most legitimate and valid concern I’ve read.
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No it is not. Maybe if you cannot aim, I guess. It is all the same to a decent player.
Yes, Winston is who I was alluding to as he more or less sets up dives…
Honestly, I do not really hear many people complaining about those aspects of Brigitte. Yes, she is a healer. Keen observation. Ooh, so oppressive. I do not care about her team getting negligible heals. I can punch right through that as long as I am alive and with hook, eh, that is only if I play a freaking sniper because that range is ludicrous. I had like half a dozen near misses where I feel I am sooooo far away and the Hog does not care and just throws hook, it like grazes my nose and I am like… I could not possibly move further back. It is just nonsense.
Lul… Wut? Lucio heals and a burst heal are NOT the most effective anti-dive tools. Displacing the dive is. Armor, perhaps; however, it is easy enough to get rid of it with poke in hybrid compositions.
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Under the changes, Brig will keep her annoyance level with most of the heros in the game.
Rein who is the primary benefactor is one of the most selected heros in the game with a high winrate.
If Rein wasn’t a launch character he’d be getting blasted for being horribly overpowered.
Yes, it stinks to play Rein and yes Brig is annoying but, this is a really awkward way to attack both issues.
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It really does. She can’t even fight a Brigitte with the new changes, the first to attack gets combo’d and loses.
She can get countered by Winston, there’s no point approaching a rein. There’s no real reason to take the character. Her heals are meh, and Moira counters flankers just fine.
Anyway this is on the PTR as of now so y’all can test it now I guess
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moira can shoot her orbs through barriers does that mean pharah should be able to shoot rockets through barriers? they are both projectiles.
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One is a gass and the other a rocket.
they are still both projectiles. just like brig and doom both have melee stuns
We don’t have time to test them! What if they don’t make her useless at all? What if we’re all wrong?
Define projectile. Then see If that fits with moira.