Sombras 1 inconsistency error

General Discussion
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So what should happen if someone spawns and never touches Crossfade? Speed Boost would be the active aura, without a button ever being pressed.

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It was exactly the same interaction Zen has. You throw a Harmony or Discord orb out, then if you get hacked it is locked in position. It’s still active, but you can’t move it to a different person all the whilst you’re hacked.

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Which still would be a Passive with a button press doesn’t madder if you need to activate it first

Zenyatta’s ability is not to have tane balls but to shoot them out you can read that in the information screen of him in game that’s the reason that they stay they get removed when he dies because there still part of him (not as an ability but as a entity of him

Lucio’s auro is part of Crossfade not a pure passive so it gets shut down

The point stays Hack works like intendet and is consistand on all Heros

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Using this logic then Reaper, Moira and Brig should also lose their passives. (Note I do not think they should, I’m just using your logic)

Sure, they need to be dealing damage to trigger their passives, but to do that they must press a button.

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but they already said that passives based on main weapon collectively arent hacked. only passives that require a button press other than main fire are hacked.

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Also, brig’s inspire remains on a player, even if they break LOS, the brig dies, ETC.
Despite both being aura heals, they function very differently. Lucio’s is continuous, brig’s is a lasting burst.

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No none of then use a direct button press Lucio does.
Reaper’s passive gets activated by dealing dmg
Moira has no passive her selfheal is an effect of her gun
Brig’s passive gets activated by dealing dmg

(How you stated by yourself)

For Lucio

  1. His aura is not a passive

  2. Even if it would be a passive (what it’s not its an active) If it would it still need a direct button press sure you could just speed-boost everyone without pressing a button but that’s simply because he spawns with it already activated once its still a Passive with a direct button press bound to it. To make it simple if you just press shift with Lucio you will change the Song if you just press m1 with Reaper, Moira, Brig you will heal noone

Once again Hack is clear and Consistand it has rules set and follows all of them.

There are no Passive that are bound to Weapons there are either an effect of the gun or a Passive for Dealing dmg or healing etc. in Brig’s case its a Passive bound to doing dmg

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you can look at it this way:
there are abilities, and weapons.
weapons are the primary and in some cases secondary fire. the stuff you activate with the mouse buttons.
abilities are the stuff you activate with the keyboard buttons. with regular jumps bein an exception. but double jump, lunge, piledriver, etc being abilities, technically.
passive “traits” can vary, some being completely passive (mercy regen, junkrat bombs), some being abilities (double jump, pharah jetpack), some being activated through main fire (inspire, reaper lifesteal).

hack only interrupts abilities, so it interrupts double jump, jetpack, etc that are originally activated through keyboard buttons. it does not activate main fire secondary effects like lifesteal or inspire. and it does not interrupt completely passive traits like mercy regen and junkrat bombs.

what people now are still confused about is lucios aura. his aura is technically passive, because it exists from the moment of being spawned, it is not a passive trait though. it is integral part of crossfade. which is an ability. so when crossfade gets hacked, the aura disappears. that is the explanation, and if you dont like it, thats sad i guess. same goes for bastions forms, btw.

another exception are transformation ults. they dont get cancelled, unlike other ults. once youre transformed (genji blade), the ability is over. when youre channeling an ability (moira ult) it is still ongoing, so it can be hacked. the distinction is that during a channeled ult you cant use your main weapon, or have full control over your hero. during transform ults, you CAN.

also buffs and debuffs dont disappear upon hack (zen, nano).

as to why hack only interrupts abilities, and not weapon effects and passive traits, thats an arbitrary decision the devs made, but it IS consistent.

hack has a clear definition:
it stops abilities from being used (any further).
with the only exception being transformation ultimates, since they count as “done” once youre transformed. you can hack them during the transformation sequence though.

EDIT: one little thing, inspire is activated through both main fire, and the shift ability. seems confusing at first. but it is an integral effect of her weapon as both main fire and shift hit the enemy with the same weapon, and if you successfully deal damage that way, inspire activates. shield bash deals damage but does not trigger inspire, since her shield is a different weapon.

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There are rules set:
Active:

  • If blocks all button presses from the moment Hack is active
  • Channeled abilities get Canceled (with exception of Orisa’s Fortify which was literally made to counter CC)
  • Transforming abilities don’t get canceled (with the exception of form switching abilities Bastion’s sentry and Hammond’s Ball)

Passive’s:

  • If your passive is active all the time it’s not hackable (Example: Sombra’s Opportunist) :x:
  • If your Passive is activated by doing something with your gun or an ability (doing or taking dmg or similar) it’s not hackable (Example Brigitte’s Inspire) :x:
  • If your Passive is activated by directly pressing a button or just activating an ability it’s hackable (Example: Genji’s and Hanzo’s Wall climbs)

Note: Brigitte’s Inspire is not bound to her gun its bound to do DMG so whatever way you do that you get the heal boost (but she just only has the weapons so it doesnt really matter does it xD) like Reaper’s(he also heals through melee You can read that in the Hero info screen Moira on the other hand has no passive her selfheal is an effect of her weapon

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Last time I checked she needs to attack to activate it.

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She has to hit her enemies in order to activate it.

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Her hack only silences passives tied to pressing the jump key though

Phara hover
Mercy hover
Double jump, wall climb
Wall ridge

Brigis aura is a passive not tied to her jump key. More like;

Reapers life steal
Junkrats martyrdom
Mercy’s self healing

The reason loses healing is because he loses crossfade

Brig cant block after being hacked because it’s an ability. So that should be a death sentence regardless of the healing.

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Lucio’s wallride is not passive, it requires button presses (press and hold space).

As far as I know hack DOESN’T shut down any passives?

  • Brig healing
  • Junkrate death bombs
  • Mercy self healing
  • Reaper healing on damage

All of those persist through hack, right?

Seems consistent to me.

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Beat me to all those abilities by like 3 minutes :joy:

Those are the only passives, right? Are there any others that I’m forgetting?

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There are but who cares

Em I right :joy:

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It does count to his passive abilities you can look up what counts as a Passive in the hero info screen.
Hack just disables Butten-pressed passives

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Hack disables geniji double jump, hanzo and genji wall climb, lucio wall ride, pharah hover jets, and mercy angelic decent.

All of which are passives that require you to hold a button down. however so is inspire, inspire only procs when she is doing damage (holding M1). so saying that it only affects passives that need you to hold a button is redundent.

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Inspire procs a status effect rather than being an ability. Think of it as Zenyatta’s orbs of harmony. They don’t disappear when you hack someone affected by it.
But i wouldn’t be opposed to Sombra disabling Inspire entirely.

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I don’t say that.

What I say is that it only disables passive that get activated/Changed through a DIRECT buttonpress.

Brigitte’s passive is activated by damaging not by the buttonpress (you can press m1 as long as you want it will never heal if it doesnt do dmg)

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it isnt a status effect, by your logic, so if lucio aura.

It is an AOE Heal around her.