This is called nitpicking. You are deciding which CC is acceptable by your own standards.
It was.
Hack is not fun especially on heroes like doom and WB. You are ignoring their chain CC being unfun and only singling out hack for being unfun. More importantly you are using hack being unfun as justification for sombras mostly poor state outside of OWL. So where does that land the unfun kits of WB and DF?
How do you not get that this is you picking and choosing which CC is acceptable. And on the premise of being unfun of all things when ALL CC IS UNFUN.
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We should make a community poll. Maybe it’s not him nitpicking and the community in general does not approve of hack
Again, read the post. 5 of these heroes don’t even have to get too close to the enemy to provide something to the team. Either attack from distance or be with the team. Orisa is less hurt by the hack than any of the other heroes you mentioned by the way.
Maybe we should make a community poll and see how much of it approves any CC at all.
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WB, D.va, and tracer are absolutely close range heroes.
Pharah and orisa and sigma less. But it depends… where they are when they get hacked.
They aren’t always hacked 30 meters away from a team.
You’re also suggesting when they get hacked that… the sombra’s team just doesn’t capitalize on it at all.
NGH-PUNCH is basically tapping the key. It doesn’t require you to wind up for nine years for full damage, because your goal is the stun/knockback. It’s super low investment for what it does (stun+damage+knockback) and how often it’s available.
I feel exactly zero remorse for Doomfist mains being turned into potatoes when Sombra gets picked, because Doomfist makes playing support miserable. Makes playing most DPS heroes miserable. Hack is nothing, stun/juggles are infinitely worse.
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I mean yea this only works if you’re directly in their face. What team is just allowing doomfist to do this lmao. Also that completely removes one of his escapes and he now… has to uppercut slam out. Which is punch botting playstyle. And what you’re describing isn’t that.
So i’m curious as to what tf doom player you have encoutered to somehow find a worse playstyle for doom.
No not really.
Okay so all you’ve taught me here is you don’t know how to fight a doom. Thank you for letting me know this. Cause if you think it makes playing DPS miserable? You just simply don’t know how to fight him, when a majority of them can fight him easily.
And you are suggesting that the target’s team is incompetent and won’t protect their teammate who can still shoot at run (some even keep their abilities like passives).
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When heroes like rein or any shield tank is hacked to be honest. They ARE the protection. The most the enemy team can do is heal and even then the burst damage in this game is ridiculous.
Well Sombra is in her own category of cc.
It would be convenient to hide her amongst all cc as a generalization, so there’s less eyes on her but she’s special.
Which is why when people address Sombra specifically they are talking about Sombra and her hack.
Because she’s different than a boop
Her hack is actually sad by itself, but EMP is hella impactful. Too impactful for a combo-type Ultimate. Most of her balancing power is tied up in it too. She could have other fun or slippery parts to her kit if EMP took a big enough hit.
IMO: EMP only removes HP Barriers now and still hacks health packs. It deals 25% of the enemy’s CURRENT HP, heals allies for 25% of their MAX HP, and stuns enemies for 0.25 seconds. The stun is simply to stop channeling Ultimates, halt movement/momentum, and drop shields for a very brief moment. Her next successful hack will be charged up, so, she can target enemies behind shields/bubbles, except she still has to successfully channel it/be close enough. If hack is forcibly canceled while channeling or 30 seconds pass, it goes bye-bye. Hacking a health pack keeps the buff intact.
Hack: she only stops channeling if she is hit by a melee move or 30+ damage in a single shot. Lasts 5 seconds, but ends if early if Sombra dies. Sombras without a beacon usually croak in 1 second or less, so, oops, bye bad Sombras. Cooldown is 10 seconds when used on enemies. It’s 2.5 seconds when used on health packs. It’s 1 second when forcibly canceled.
Opportunist: pretty lame ability tbh. It could be changed into many different things that has her “Take advantage of the situation!” and is more useful overall. Which is fair because EMP is no longer a “huhuhu ez time 4 my bess frens’ w/ Ults!”
Here are the reasons why Sombra’s hack is the worst CC in the game.
1. It’s not telegraphed/obvious to play around
It is hard to outplay a Hack because knowing where/when it will happen is extremely difficult. Being invisible the entire time until you need to hack means you can be hacked from virtually anywhere. This is a big issue. Think about all the CC in the game. The character is always in view and there is a way to play around that CC. Stay out of a certain range of a character that is visible is easy to outplay unless you make a mistake. That’s why Brig’s shield bash through Rein’s shield was removed. There is no counter play for Rein. He has to be on the frontline and he was always in range. It was free value.
2. Very little punishment if outplayed
This is my second issue. There is only a fraction of second to outplay Hack. The easiest example of this is Rein vs Sombra. Countering hack works by breaking line of sight. (You can technically counter hack after the hack takes place by your teammates using abilities on you but you are trading hack for resources and cooldowns which is usually a net win for Sombra) Anyway, the traditional way to counter Hack from Sombra as Rein is to block line of sight with Barrier. If you do it when hack starts you countered the hack and it goes on cooldown. There is multiple problems to this.
1st is that there is no timing needed in terms of using the actual ability overall. You need to time when to appear and attempt to hack but not the hack process itself. You can just hold the hack button and wait until the opportunity opens. The window is very easy to hit compared to other CC. Flashbang is a hit or miss here. You can’t just hold down Flashbang and almost guarantee value when the enemy gives you the opportunity. Also, most CC needs to be timed and aimed at some extent. I’m not saying you don’t have to be looking in the general direction of your target when hacking but when combined with the fact that you can’t waste hack by hacking the air is a big problem.
Another thing about little punishment. Hacking targets is clearly very easy to do vs how hard it is to counter. (Again, I’m talking about stopping the hack in progress or avoiding the hack in general. Not after you are hacked) If Reinhardt hears you become visible, attempt to hack you and you outplay that hack by blocking it mid hack with your barrier… Sombra gets punished by getting a fraction of her normal hack time go on cooldown. Every other CC character that misses a much harder CC to land has it go on cooldown the full duration. Plus, they can just flat out miss the cooldown. Hack doesn’t have that issue because you only miss if it is outplayed. That is a huge issue.
3. Duration of the CC
Here is the final problem. It’s the duration. Tanks getting hacked wouldn’t be as big of a deal to them if the hack didn’t last as long as it does. Tanks or the most MOBA characters in the game. Meaning that they play around cooldown/resources more than any other class. Getting hacked as a tank means you just became weak DPS with a massive hitbox that is free Ult charge. Being hacked for that long, I think it’s 5 seconds, is a death sentence for you and/or your team. Also, hack goes on cooldown right away if I remember correctly. You get that Hack value for that entire duration or until the target dies then you get a few seconds of actual cooldown before hack is up again.
These are the reasons why everyone hates Hack and it’s the worst CC in the game.
I like the suggestions a lot, this can work pretty well but
I think it should hack enemies for 0.25-1 seconds, it will have the same effect but won’t stop movement. Stunning would feel very annoying while not being all that useful in my opinion.
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True. It could be used if the stun was deemed too much somehow. Though that’d be a win for mobile Heroes, who honestly don’t need anymore wins.
TBH a 0.1 second stun (doesn’t show the STUN! blurb on the screen) works too. The stun is more so the VROOOOM Heroes get set to default with the rest of their team. On the other hand, hack will allow Genji/Hanzo/Doomfist/Winston/ect to continue zooming out of harm’s way if the skill key was pressed already.
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With that title edit, I massively disagree, and think EMP is super healthy and hack isn’t.
The game needs EMP as a check against specific strats. But hack? Sombra’s kit massively suffers for it, and the interrupt is unhealthy for the flow of the game due to non deliberate unpredictability, i.e. outcomes not intended by either side. Flash and sleep are far healthier for the game and a rework should draw inspiration from those two.
The same is true of hack. You won’t die without help from her team and Sombra is significantly less able to follow up on her own CC than other CC heroes. Stun lasts a shorter amount of time because it’s a harder CC. It’s more deadly and takes away more things.
They have their teams to help them out. Reinhardt can block the hack himself.
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Doomfist, Sombra and Mei kits imo are one of the worst because they have very strong high frequency cc abilities on low cooldowns.
Hack is way, way, way less likely to result in a kill. And it’s often all you need to disrupt a certain strat. EMP has one of the highest ult winrates in the game, and can lead to combos for which there is straight up not counterplay. Sombra is bad outside of EMP, which is fine because EMP is ridiculously strong.
I saw a lot of people complain about the EMP in particular and how it decides team fights way too easily and, like I wrote in the post, it could use a power shift/rework for more counterplay, which could also allow other parts of her kit to be buffed.
Plus I’m adressing the hack in the post and wrote it in the title so people don’t think I’m talking about her ultimate.
anyone know how to dislike a post?
just asking