Nobody is talking about her because Sojourn is a nightmare just now so she is being talked about. Or Zarya is being talked about because DVa mains don’t like her. Sombra is having a little break until they nerf some others.
My argument is that her abilities ruin the game experience for everyone and don’t belong in OW.
Your counterargument is that those abilities are weak or useless.
What do you expect me to say to that?
I think one reason is that perks make people swap less. She was often picked to counter heroes like Ball or Widow, and a bit more rarely from the start.
But what you’re saying is true too.
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Maybe no-one is talking about her, because she isn’t as much as a menace as you think.
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I never said they were weak or useless, and even if they were, that would be your fault.
You got everything you wanted.
- Hack was destroyed because you kept crying!
- Teleport was destroyed because you kept crying!
- Invisibility was destroyed because you kept crying—oh wait, no, that wasn’t you, that was because of Widow’s mystical skin!
- Even her HP got nerfed because Sombra is apparently a mobility hero, even though she has no ability to survive in a fight. Even Genji kept his HP.
And in the end, all the problems come down to either a lack of skill or her current damage output.
Sombra ruins nothing. Every action she takes requires time, giving you plenty of opportunities to react. You can hear her invisibility from half the map away now.
Sorry, but if you’re still complaining that Sombra is so annoying and that there’s nothing you can do against her, then you’re just so bad at the game that you probably shouldn’t play PC games at all. Sounds like you need giant neon signs telling you exactly what to do just to get anything done!
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Making her not perma-invis made her harder to use - which decreased her pickrate to the point where I don’t see her in EVERY game anymore like I did before the re-work. W
She’s still annoying don’t get me wrong, but it flushed out all the players who were a determinant to their own team by solo-spawn-camping while simultaneously getting free kills on the weak-link enemy. People complain about 5v5 a lot here, but 4v4 was pretty annoying.
Now, as far as her being a “menace”… yea she’s still a menace. She should be. Just like souj, tracer, genji, ashe, Moira, Hazard, Zarya, Dva…etc
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Frankly I dont even get complaining about Sombra anymore unless youre a tank player, because really this hero is not that much of a problem in high elo. She almost never acts as in assassin anymore and is used almost exclusively as an anti-tank hero.
Which tank players deserve because your role is turbo broken right now and you people need to realize you arent god at the game, youre just an abuser.
Utter nonsense.
Invisibility is there, hack is there. Those abilities ruin the experience because you can’t see where your enemies is and getting hacked doesn’t allow you to literally play the game, even for 1 second.
Also she is not that counterable.
Nothing has been destroyed otherwise I wouldn’t see your beloved hero in half of my games, at least before the perk system was implemented.
Thankfully, with perks, less people swap to Sombra and the game feels much better but as long as those abilities are there, even if nerfed, she will always be a problem.
As they say “get some proper arguments first, then come back.”
Here we go again. “Oh, the abilities are still there, so they must be good, and Sombra still fulfills her intended role… bla bla bla.”
You’re saying Hack takes away your ability to play the game? I didn’t know Hack directly attacks the player and makes them brain-dead for its duration. But hey, if you want to use that as an argument, what about respawning? I’m also completely unable to do anything there—for 12 seconds. What about Doomfist? He has a stun that makes me completely helpless, plus I’d probably die from it.
Compared to that, Hack, which only takes away your abilities for a ridiculously short time, is a joke. And no, you’re not completely helpless—well, maybe you are, but that’s on you.
Sombra is incredibly easy to counter. You can hear her Translocator every few seconds, which means you know she’ll attack in about five seconds. If she attacks earlier, she dies. If she waits longer, she becomes visible again. If you can’t counter Sombra, you’re just bad.
As for how often she appears in games, I can’t really comment—that’s a low-Elo problem, and I don’t play there. In higher Elo, we have the issue of people swapping heroes constantly because the perks didn’t change anything!
Sombra’s only real problem is that she lost her role and identity. Everything else has always been a player skill issue, not a Sombra issue.
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Come on dude, this is really low take.
I was referring to heroes that counter her. Yes you can deal with Sombra and win a duel against her but when she is around your gaming experience is ruined. You have to give your back to the fight and you can be hacked out of nowhere.
Nobody is saying that she is OP, the problem is that the way you deal with her ruins all the fun.
Oh you play high Elo, you must be right about everything then. My sincere apologies
More of an annoyance than a menace. Really really really good players are a menace sure but then again, that can be said even about Torb so 
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the…fun of shooting? which is part of a hero shooter?
sombra doesnt have that much hp
and unless you’re flanking you shouldn’t be caught alone, meaning she has an uphill battle of not only surviving but also scoring an elimination
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You’re complaining about 1 second of silence, while dying punishes you with 12 seconds where you can do absolutely nothing. So if that argument isn’t valid, then there’s no point in even talking about that 1 second.
First, you said she’s not that counterable, and now suddenly she is—it’s just not a “press one button and she’s countered” situation.
I don’t know where I said that I’m right just because I play in high Elo, but okay, noted. My knowledge of Sombra comes more from the 1,000+ hours I’ve played her since her release in November 2016.
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I never had any problems with past sombra in my games. Just being ready to strafe and shoot the moment the hack visuals start helped me force 80% of the sombras i faced to swap (while playing mercy).
I rarely if ever see this version of sombra anymore. And when i do, it’s the same thing. Only she’s more deadly now and harder for a single person to kill due to her shorter ttk.
I want the perma invis sombra back, she could hack from invisibility yes. But when she did, by the time she could start shooting at you, you only had 0.5 seconds of silence left. Now she can virus and shoot you during the whole silence if she gets the hack off (also bonus hack dmg).
Sombras used to play scared and were easy to plink out of invisibility, easy to side step the virus and punish the sombra. Now the sombras are aggro and deal more dmg, they’re harder to deal with in the backline if your support buddy’s deaf and blind.
People complaining and refusing to learn how to play against her, made her worse to play, and worse to play against.
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I’m not complaining about the amount of time of hack, I’m complaining about the existence of hack.
As I said, I was referring to the heroes that counter her not to the fact that you can’t deal with her.
Zarya counters D.Va
Sombra counters Widow
etc
There are no hard counters to Sombra.
Hope it cleared it up.
I’m sincerely happy for you if you didn’t have problem with Sombra.
I have. In fact she is the only hero I can’t stand and I’m in good company. There is a big portion of players that literally hate to have to deal with her because of her kit.
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anyone with a fast gun or low ttk counters sombra(Hard counter something that effectively prevents x character from doing anything?)
scratch that, any tank will counter sombra because they survive the one second hack w/virus
if your argument is oh sombra can get away and survive…well yeah so does the tank
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You know what a hard counter is? No you don’t.
Thing is with ball is that he’s about as “not ok” against many of the cast as Sombra herself is.
You have to accept that fact first. Once you have you then understand why characters like Sombra also have to exist.
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It comes down to the same thing. You can’t cry about how bad Hack is and claim you can’t do anything when the respawn takes 12 seconds plus boring walking time.
Sombra counters Widow? Widow would have to be really bad for that, but that’s another topic.
Sombra gets countered by everything. She’s a hit-and-run hero. Every time she disengages from a fight, you’ve countered her. You don’t need a specific hero for that—just intelligence and skill, but that’s something you won’t find in anti-Sombra players. Even if you disagree, there’s still Cassidy, who can kill a Sombra with no problem, not to mention half the tanks who can just chase her down, or Zarya, who gets rewarded up to three times if Sombra tries to hit her with EMP!
She was the easiest thing in the game to kill and shut down with her perma invisibility (Gold mercy main opinion, fighting her with no self heal or cleanse).
I can count with 1 hand the times i’ve had to swap to deal with her since her original release.
I usually had to 1v1 her by myself because my team’s dps were tunnel visioning the enemy tank so hard.
Her counter is keeping your ears and eyes open. If you face a really good aggro sombra, you’re in trouble. But the avarage sombra is pretty easy to shut down.