Not really. She can’t flank like she could in OW1. Invis and tp used to be on their own cooldowns. They don’t synergize on the same cd. They need to be on their own buttons and virus needs to be completely deleted
The fact that she is in a bad spot is one thing.
Trying to use 1% of the playerbase as a showcase for her state right now isn’t really valid though.
I’m talking 2022-23 gameplay. She doesn’t need to flank ; she’s a burster and a chaser.
Just like burning the entire house is “taking care of the spider” sure my guy.
WOOSH I guess.
HUH?
Dude, Im sorry but you are way way way out of depth here.
She never did that, because everything that ENABLED her to do that, is being able to Invis at will (perma or not) and THEN, being able to TP out. That is not an option now. Do you understand?
Why, in the actual tarnation, would you pick Sombra to do that instead of a Reaper? or a Bastion? who have more HP (or damage in Bastion’s case) and Lifesteal to just pump damage in the frontline?
Not sure about the order of action… you TPed out while invisible ?
She’s still able to become TP out… her invisibility even makes her escape safer. Yeah, you can’t camp while invisible, but then we’re not talking about escaping, we’re talking about lurking and waiting.
The Stealth tactic that gets nerfed with this update is the aggressive stance of it.
The TP and invis are now made for escape only.
So yeah, I don’t understand what you mean indeed…
Soft CC and mobility.
If you don’t understand what’s good with the ability to burst up to 600 damage from anywhere at anytime because you prefer to take the obvious Reaper and Bastion, I can explain it.
Her escape actually got better so the death rate should go down when people adjust to it. Unless it was lower before because people just afk’d invis.
If im on ball its not any worse then being flashed, slept, booped etc. And you can just shoot her to cancel it, on rein you can just spin around with shield to cancel it. Imo it feels worse (not saying it is worse) playing sig into her. He has one of the worst tank primary to cancel hack with, rock has a longer cast time then hack so that’s a free cancel, grasp is a free cancel, ult is also easy to cancel. You can block hack with shield like rein but its harder and the shield also have cd between uses.
I think it’ll balance out once people get used to the new play style.
Sombra – switch!
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… dude, are you trolling right now? Like no FR , do you know how it even works?
You have to TP (enter 6 CD) and then you get invis for 5 sec … WDYM TPed out while invisible?
Good lord theres so many wrong things with this paragraph I have to break it down again:
1 - No one, in this universe, is complaining about NOT being able to TP out or needing Invis. If I use TP correctly (aim and positioning) I dont need invis for nothing.
2 - Lurking and waiting can literally be done without invis, but the whole point was that you could CHOOSE when to engage. You can’t do that anymore, this part is what you are not getting.
3 - “The aggressive stance of it” has not been nerfed : It has been REMOVED entirely.
4 - Theres no TP and Invis as 2 separated things you can CHOOSE to use depending on the situation, they are 1.
My guy, you literally cant do that from anywhere or any time, because again:
1 - In order to hack the tank you need an off angle, and the enemy will hear you because you need to TP nearby (or see your TP).
2 - Hack is 1 sec ? like sure interrupting is great vs ults but … otherwise?
3 - If you want to blast damage to the frontline, on your supports’ LOS and directly helping the tank, Reaper and Bastion are simply better.
Please explain ANY situation that Sombra would do better than those 2, without using TP nearby to hack the tank from an angle.
Because if you are just face hacking, again Reaper/Bastion can blast a tank faster.
PS: Again, Reaper has Wraith, Lifesteal and more HP than Sombra. Bastion more HP , damage AND armor.
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You don’t need invisibility ok. So what’s wrong ? The TP is still here and you don’t need invisibility…
She can still chase, flank at short distance as a Moira or Tracer.
AS she turns invisible immediately, they can hear you but not find you.
Also, you don’t need off angle for shieldless tanks.
+20% more damage from gun and more damage from Virus. Also it prevents some abilities like shield, escaping, healing.
lol ok. So you played Sombra for what ? Don’t tell me its just about dueling Widows…
So you’re aware using TP to hack tank from an angle is a reason to pick Sombra over Bastion and you ask me to give you an example…
Its like asking to explain why would you pick Widow without using her scope.
Better range than Reaper ; more surprising than a Bastion.
There are few DPS that could reach 150dps ; especially with a soft CC and some mobility.
They’re easier to spot, to read, are more situational, they don’t have CC and we haven’t talked about Hacking kits neither.
I said that to do that you dont need invis, but the whole point is to be able to scout in the open and be able to CHOOSE when to engage. For that you DO need invis on your terms, not on a CD that is tied to another CD. How are you not getting this? 
And once again, if you use TP to chase and shoot / virus someone, you are wasting all CDs and have nothing to escape. You can literally just pick any other DPS to do that, even soldier lol.
Doesnt matter, they can just count because they are not dumb. Like after hearing the TP its 5 sec max till she has to reveal
If you are hitting shieldless tanks, once again, Bastion/Reaper are better.
Doesnt prevent anything. Just interrupts actions 1 sec. Not the same bud.
Also again, that damage is laughable on the frontline compared to Reaper’s and Bastion which again, for the 4th time, have MORE than that to bring to the table.
Call me crazy, but I played Sombra for scouting, coordinating attacks on targets and/or distracting/killing the supports WHEN I choose to, not on a locked sequence I can’t get away from.
And again my guy (because at this point you are either trolling or have a SERIOUS reading comprehension issue), if you are going to do that, you TELEGRAPH your sequence near the enemy : TP sound+ invis 4-5 sec+hack / virus.
If you are going to do that (which is clunky as hell right now) you were way way way way way way better with PREVIOUS iteration of Sombra. Because again (for the 5th time I think?) you can CHOOSE when to do it.
Not even close.
At least not vs a Tank.
Also they can reach that DPS just by pressing M1 (and Shift +M1 on Bastion).
Nah.
My guy, that “CC” is 1 sec interrupt that you need to do when you are not being shot, its way worse that straight up pumping 210 DPS on the Tank with more survival.
Frontline battles are not burst, you need survival and in that field Bastion and Reaper outclass Sombra too, like to an INSANE degree.
So you want the lurker gameplay. It has changed cause most of Lurking Sombras ended being too passive.
Do they have 150 dps ? Hm ? And vertical mobility ?
If you chase and suddenly needs to escape, you’re playing poorly and you deserve to get punished.
That makes them turn the head from the frontline for 5s. That’s the point of flanking.
Bastion and Reaper aren’t that effective against Dva, Ram, Orisa.
But I guess you’re right. Sombra sucks cause there are only 2 DPS that do better than her in your opinion. Sombra should be top1.
Afaik, cooldown triggers. So you prevent Hog from healing for 1s+CD that makes 2.25s, with a 150dps, Sombra by herself can land more than 300 damage on Hog.
But sure Reaper suffering from 40reduction and doesn’t interrupt healing “brings more to the table”.
Like any flanker ? You just used invisibility to hide in a corner but you said you didn’t invisibility for that.
Either you don’t find the right words to describe what’s your problem with the new Sombra or you just contradict yourself for the sake to believe that you know best.
Remember :
Okay so you’re playing like this : you cast TP from somewhere everyone sees you. You wait for the invisibility to turn off within 1meter square and then you’re starting to hack.
Yes, put in that way, its very clunky indeed.
If you flank, tp from no one could see you, run in 5s with bonus speed in a good angle to hack the shield tank, hack virus shoot, in 3s your escape is back online.
you can still choose when you TP. I don’t wait why you would wait for 5s to start hacking/shooting.
Yeah, Sombra has more spreadth weapon so she has to be closer than Reaper to shoot Zarya head…
Keep looking at DPS only if you want. I mean if you’re all about shooting and not using abilities, yeah, don’t play Sombra.
And I am the one trolling. The slower, bigger hitbox outclass the tinier hitbox with an escape.
My guy, seriously, IDK at this point if you are running a “lets twist things and throw wrong statements” contest but seriously you are killing it.
The amount of trash replies that you are throwing because either you don’t read and comprehend anything or just forget what has been explained/refuted before is astonishing. I will straight up ignore those.
Lets try bolding the dumb part of the statement and pointing out the keyword so you get it, its my last attempt because I hate dudes that are stuck on a loop:
No.
I want the CHOICE to exist my guy. And again, it hasnt “changed”, it was not “nerfed”, it was ELIMINATED.
Please for the love of god and everything that is sacred, read and understand the bold keywords.
But they don’t though, they just need to wait for the sound queue. You are not distracting anyone’s attentions, just saying “Hey dudes, Im going to do something in 5 sec, just be ready”.
Not the same.
Not the same at all.
Because like we all know, the enemy:
- Is dumb and cant hear/see your TP
- Has their monitors turned off and will not shoot you and let you hack the hog and dump a full mag/clip.
- Will not blast you in 2 sec because you are shooting from an off angle with almost no cover.
Or you have poor reading comprehension and even bold or capitalized words don’t get to you, thats another option too my guy. Again :
If any flanker can do that, why would I pick sombra, who is “stunlocked” once her chain “combo” starts and telegraphs her actions and needs way more skill/timing than the others?
… nice semantic play. Didnt work though.
Again, the choice is NOT about when do you choose to “do your thing” or not, the choice is about using my CDs or not (yes plural) when I want to depending on the situation. With Invis directly tied to the TP , that choice is GONE.
Now clever guy, explain why the Death Rate has gone through the roof if you can still use TP to escape fine? Go ahead. We’ll wait.
If you use TP near the enemy so you’re heard and seen, you’re plyaing Sombra wrong.
If you’re shooting while no cover, you’re just bad with all heroes, not only Sombra.
Hack doesn’t turn off invisibility and takes 1s.
If the enemy blast you in 2s after shootinghacking/tping, they do turn their heads.
Finally you’re admitting it.
This is the point.
Sombra is moving from perma-invisibility, lazy and easy scouting to more skilled positioning in exchange with damage bonus.
But all Sombras got used to sit in a corner, pick ONE weak target and strike them one by one.
With this patch, Sombra players need to turn on their brain to get the advantage from her kit. You need to be more interactive, you need to land damage more constantly, with or wihout hacking.
But of course ! If you just want to W+M1, play Reaper. It is, it has been and it will probably be always that way.
So why death rate is increasing : the gameplan of the hero has changed and it takes time for people to understand it and get used to it.
Lets be real, you were stealthy, free to wait in any corner to pick the right moment to do your damage, right.
Now, Sombra deals MORE damage and you’re still complaining Reaper is better than her. But it makes no sense, your problem is not about her damage, its about having to decide when to burst damage.
But you don’t wanna admit that Hack is still a soft CC mixed with discord orb effect and that being invisible with +40% speed makes easier to find the right spot to strike and is a better escape way as its harder to track than a big shadowy figure with noisy boots.
You keep looking at heroes DPS like if the previous Sombra was doing more damage ; its wrong, so why have ever picked her ? Just because you choose to get kills safely. How did you get those kills so safely ? Because she was perma invisible so you forgot about cover, positioning, flanking routes, you were just free to go and sit anywhere. Lazy and easy.
That would mean either getting rid of Virus, or making Stealth some type of “Context Ability”. (For instance, Sombra can only go invisible if she presses jump again while airborne or something.)
I dont hate the sombra changes but she needs more HP for sure. Like 225 base and 50 armor. There is too many heros that can insta kill you while you spend 3 seconds Hack/Virus/Shooting.
Most of them have been outted as Bigots in the last 48 hours anyway lol… 4 sombra haters have been outted, 1 has completely left and deleted everything.
#BigotryIsNotOkay
#RadioSilenceFromMods
#BigotryIsNotWelcomeHere
The recent buff to Sombra did help her a lot, I am predicting that she will be buff soon.
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Thanks for proving you clearly have reading comprehension issues because in order to throw this random reply, you clearly ignored all the bold/cap words about choice.
I can literally refute everything you just said with that word: Choice.
No.
When did I mention anything about skill being the issue or not? again, for the hundred gazillion time:
The issue is the CHOICE removal.
Again, wrong.
No, my guy: With this patch, Sombra doesn’t have agency about her stealth combo and how to use their CDs because they are literally tied together.
That is literally what you recommended doing lol.
Are you refuting yourself? Thanks for admitting that, thank god.
Because being in the frontline spam hacking the tank is to just do that, Virus + M1.
Stop making up things my guy. This is false and its proven.
Also again, count sustain + damage overtime, reloads etc. Reaper is more effective at doing that in the frontline.
Again, If the “new play style” is just playing like that to be safer/more effective, she is the worse option to at least 9 DPS … and she wasn’t in a good spot to begin with.
You keep trying to act like you don’t hate sombra and you are glad she is nerfed but its ok, we can see through your demagogue discourse.
Theres no change that stops her being “lazy and easy” now dude, the changes just make her PREDICTABLE due to the lack of CHOICE and slave to a CD chain. ALL the other iterations (yes including the original) allowed her to use 1 CD or the other at will and CHOOSE when to engage or disengage. Now you cant.
I am sure you will still reply with some random comment and ignore the word CHOICE once again and pretend that is not the core of the argument but sure my guy, if you think “learning the new play style” is not the issue, live your dream 
you literally just pi**ed all Sombra mains… i am in love with you.