So you guys are REALLY going to do Sym like that?

[NovaBlue-11305]

I’m more annoyed that Torbjorn gets 50 extra health when I’ve been asking for Symm to get 50 extra health (in the form of 25 hp/25 shields) for months. I mean really lol.

[polar-12870]

Devs confirmed both zarya and symmetra should be doing less damage to armor now.
So no.
not a “buff”

[predat0r-2569]

Which is the point of her. She’s a Glass Cannon. She’s able to melt people incredibly quickly, but considering she has to be in close range and has no survivability whatsoever, she goes down quickly if you’re able to focus on her.

That’s what makes her too weak though, at any level of competency where people can semi aim (plat+) she just dies before she gets her damage up.

[Nayd-11936]

Well, sorry for spreading fake information then. I was almost getting happy to finally see them addressing the Symmetra vs Armor interaction in a positive way but now I just don’t understand why did they do this without giving her any buffs.
I guess that one time when they attempted to run Symmetra in the OWL was enough for them to find her too op, Symmetra was never meant to be meta, how dare they try to use her in a competitive scenario

[SackAttack-1602]

obligatory link to PTR math post.

KILL THE GOATs META

Effects of armor changes to beam type weapons. EDIT: have received a few corrections to the math on this, but it’s still being linked around. So I’m updating it to be more correct/easier to read. numbers used are from the Overwatch wiki. Let me know if any of them are wrong and I’ll keep this updated. ~ Winston ~ Live against armor: 30DPS (60DPS, 20 tics/second) PTR against armor: 48DPS (60DPS * 0.8) increase: 38.5% ~ Zarya ~ Live against armor 0 charge: 80DPS (95DPS, 5 tics per second) …

[Mozts-1810]

Dev says it’s a nerf:

These patch notes

Hey there! Armor used to have a varying effect on damage over time and beam type weapons based on how damage instances were handled by the server (it’s not the server tick rate, some weapons have different update rates). This meant that Winston’s primary fire would hit the maximum 50% damage reduction against armor because it had a faster damage update rate while Zarya’s beam would lose a flat 15 damage per second (after the armor change from -5 damage per hit to -3). So the general results …

It’s non-sense. I fully expect when the PTR moves to live for Symmetra value to be addressed accordingly.

[polar-12870]

They hate symmetra, didnt you get the memo?
A character has never been given a good reputation or use that makes people go “i want a symmetra”, for almost 3 years
Shes their most hated hero, and shes coincidentally the most hated hero by the playerbase too.
Its a lose-lose situation.

[Arcadium-11882]

It’s non-sense. I fully expect when the PTR moves to live for Symmetra value to be addressed accordingly.

I expect nothing positive when it comes to Symmetra. No hero has been as abused or neglected as she has. I feel like dirt.

[Speeeedboost-1300]

She does more than your average zarya. While zarya has to get charge, it makes her or her teammates to be vulnerable for a period. Plus maintaining charge isn’t that easy without bubble spamming.
Bow for sym,she has 3 turrets doing damage, a beam which is far easier to charge up than a zarya.
I guess you want the old sym back when she could just run around microwaving without actually considering what might go wrong.

[Nayd-11936]

You think It’s easier to get charge and still live as Symmetra than Zarya even after the buff which made Zarya’s energy almost infinite? Zarya is super easy to have energy now lol, If you try to get energy as Sym you die/need to retreat because you’re at low health, and by the time you’re back you already lost all your charge.
Also keep in mind that Zarya has a higher dps than her, higher range, higher health pool, and better survivability abilities, Zarya’s m2 is instant, also has more damage and range than Symmetra and has less damage dropoff

[Speeeedboost-1300]

Nope. I’m clueless about it.

[SandyK1LL-2429]

Confirmed she has been nerfed

@SandyK1LL-2429

Hey there!
Armor used to have a varying effect on damage over time and beam type weapons based on how damage instances were handled by the server (it’s not the server tick rate, some weapons have different update rates).

This meant that Winston’s primary fire would hit the maximum 50% damage reduction against armor because it had a faster damage update rate while Zarya’s beam would lose a flat 15 damage per second (after the armor change from -5 damage per hit to -3).

So the general results after this patch are Winston’s damage is increased against armor compared to before, Moira is about the same, Zarya and Symmetra are roughly the same at low charge and deal less damage to armor health pools than before while at high charge.

[Chemi-21869]

That’s just a bunch of LIES. Symmetra beam it’s x10 harder to charge since she doesn’t have any reliable mobility, sustain or big healthpool unlike Zaryas, plus Zaryas beam still have higher range and dps than Symm, so HELL TO THE NO.

[Speeeedboost-1300]

Keep believing that sym is 10x harder to play.

[Lagomorph-1516]

She is though, she requires 200% effort to secure kills as opposed to other DPS choices.

[Lagomorph-1516]

Like seriously if you think she does more than your average Zarya why don’t you see Symmetra running all over the game with a giant pickrate on the level of Zarya, owning and dominating the game.

Try to think real hard concerning the state of reality and your poorly informed opinion.

[polar-12870]

Not gonna lie, but someone who really looks like a lucio main like him wont be saying anything positive about her anytime, since they keep blindly running into turret nests xD

[Nayd-11936]

Lol, that Zarya surely took a lot of skill to look at the ground next to me, click M2, click V and do a combo that takes away 90% of my health, then click V again and kill me. Or beam me for half a second and then click m2.
Truly much harder.

[Positive-11139]

Rein to Symmetra after this:
Rein: Wait this only tickles me now with all of my armor. Laughing
Symmetra: Cries in a corner.

[huntinghawk-1757]

Honestly you buried the lead problem for Sym. Forget about armor. Soldier was her hard counter when he did 17. Now he’s back to 20.

With no photon barrier and 76 back to chipping away at Rein’s shield Sym will have to hide by ceiling cover or do what all Sym mains do, switch to a better hero.

Soldier needed the buff but Pharah, Sym, and Junkrat just got dumped into a target rich environment