You climbing out of Bronze hardly proves ELO hell is or isn’t real. Did you get a bunch of bronze people to sign a card saying ELO hell isn’t real while you were down there?
I haven’t played comp this season. But i’m not sure what you’re suggestion, that I only duo?
No, I 90% solo queue, and one trick Orisa for the most part, not for any reason other than that’s how I enjoy playing.
I stopped playing end of last season / this season, because I got emotionally bored with the toxic players accusing me of throwing for picking an off meta hero (like people below masters even know what meta really is anyway)
I get free time at work and I use this to be on the forums. Your comments are really off topic and not constructive at all.
I put people down that say the game is bad or the matchmaking is broken because most of these people are making these complains from the same ranks I’ve been in and climbed out.
You cannot disagree that too many people are joining the band wagon of “the system is broken, I cannot climb” as a scapegoat, and you check their 1 endorse profile to see they’re a widow main with 30% scoped accuracy. I’ve had enough hours on this game to get a valid an accurate opinion.
What he is getting at basically is this;
- Yes, it’s hard to climb as a Bronze if you have no idea what you’re doing it wrong and blaming it on external factors other than their own selves
- People who complain they’re stuck at where they are because of throwers suggest that given no throwers, they’d be at a higher rank, which links to the following point;
- If you believe you deserve a higher rank you’re basically saying you have the same skill as that higher rank. Which is UNTRUE. I can go into a Bronze game right now and be carrying so hard by playing Ana, not even DPS. People at different ranks are where they are for a reason. You COULD have the aim of a Diamond but stuck in Silver because of your gamesense, or vice versa.
- Focus on what you can do rather than what you can’t. You can improve yourself, you can improve your communication, but you CAN’T control others.
Yes people can be toxic and it’s daunting to play your hardest just for people to sh1t on you for a single mistake or your hero selection. If you start tilting and not enjoying the game at all, just take a break and comeback when you have a clearer mind. Playing when you’re tilted will NOT make you better at the game and rather increase your mistakes and make you focus on stuff you have no control over.
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I find it hilarious people complain about a broken system, but then complain about smurfs.
right so you agree that there are people much better than you in the higher ranks, but want to blame the ranking system that you cannot climb and not the fact you’re not as good as other people, WHICH IS WHY THE REASON YOU’RE IN THE RANK THAT YOU’RE IN.
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Lol actually that’s exactly what it proves. It proved that if being a more skilled player is all you need to get out of a rank, then how can ELO HELL exist? If it existed, then regardless of my skill level I shouldn’t have been able to get out of bronze should I? But I did, if ELO HELL exists, then why didn’t it exist for me? Explain that. It’s pretty basic logic dude. Funny how it’s always the players that are in said rank, that like to blame ELO HELL instead of their own skill level for where they are…
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There is no shame in being low rank. It’s a video game. If you are serious enough about it, you will find ways to improve instead of complaining when you lose, imo.
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Finally someone else that has some sanity in this forum
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The poster you replied to has a point. Just because you climbed out of it does not mean it’s not true. I can explain it to you, you said you ranked up already to diamond meaning you are already better than 75%ish of the player base in OW. Diamond actually takes game sense and ult tracking where up to plat you never deal with anything like that. You see flaws in the enemy team and can exploit that meaning in low ranks you will always play optimally. So your SR gain vs loss will always be positive.
When you get closer to your rank you start plateauing as you start being matched with people closer to your skill level. This is why I somewhat agree you belong where you are at. The problem here is ELO hell is somewhat true because you are always grouped with 2 types of people and the pattern is pretty common. You have a team that tries, communicates, makes great switches and has proper callouts. You end up winning. Then you have teams with a 3 stack and 2 stack that pick 4 dps 1 tank and you are left healing.
You can say “ive won matches with 5 dps”, that does not mean you are good it means the enemy team was just bad. Most GM’s cannot solo 6 bronze so lets not go with the carry argument.
Another reason ELO hell is true is because even if you are good and play optimally there is a good chance you will be stagnant. Even with a 60% win rate as a healer you could possibly still lose SR because the way the system works. It compares only your stats to others with the same character and same MMR. If DPS / tanks are not peeling off of you and you getting getting killed because a doomfist is destroying your backline you will get dinged for that.
Again, this is not to say you dont belong at the rank you are at. I still think that’s up in the air in some aspects. This is to say that in some ways ELO hell does exist because it’s harder for a person to gain the skill they need to progress. Improving does not directly correlate to rising in rank. If you really want to become good at say orisa the chances of you rising is far less than if you were to try to climb on say hanzo / ashe.
Im not sure how to explain this where people understand it. It does mater you and how because of the SR system. I’ve reiterated this many times and but I never said he did not belong in gold. I stated him just stating “I climbed, so can you” is misleading and a lot of the problem with this community.
I never argued about anything. What I state is how this system works. There are a set of characters that can be played optimally with very little skill resulting in far more SR gain than loss. If you cant agree or understand that then please dont comment baiting me to argue with you. If you have less than a 50% win rate on your other characters the chances of you climbing out of ranks lower than you are at is slim. With or without game sense you still need to be able to sway the match on a much larger scale. The skill level of bronze to gold is not as huge as people on this thread make it sound. A gold will never carry a bronze match.
So unless this can be a constructive conversation that helps the OP lets avoid it. I’ve related this conversation to the OP and stated over and over. If you want to climb in the low ELO’s play characters with guaranteed SR gains.
Wrong here. You can 1 trick your way to masters as brig and you do not belong there. Brig takes such little skill for the reward you get from her that your game sense almost doesnt matter. So to say that person belongs in masters when they are not willing to swap to anything and would be a determent to their team.
Hi my friend; bronze is hard, you need to play strong heroes. I find easy with off tanks bronze or dps like traecr or genji.
If you post a vid with your gameplay the forums will help you to fix your mistakes that is possible if you accept you bronze and need to improve. Maybe you playing a heroe like mercy who needs a lot of game sense to climb up.
Lately there was a free week; full of throwers,smurf etc. who are playing toxic as it is a free account thx Blizzard. I lost 300SR in my dps genji account. I have to used a plat char to get back to gold.
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Free accounts cant play competitive
idk, but the amount of level 25 accounts few days ago was triple. i thought was due to free week. Maybe it is due to the big discount…
The game dropped to 15 dollars also. I’ve noticed quite a few new accounts in my gold games lately. I kind of correlate it to the game being 15 dollars.
Either that, or the end of the season. Both call for lower matchmaking quality
Sure if he doesnt belong in masters he will drop after brigg is nerfed or when he starts playing different hero. But its something else to climb and something else to keep current rank. Climbing is harder.
Sure you cant replicate your own experience on others every time but i can honestly tell i am example how majority of people below plat can reach plat. I managed to climb to plat without knowing anything about sensitivity or dpi, playing with bad pc at 45 fps without help of anyone. At age 31, where age is certainly agfecting performance too. And i never played mp shooter games before.
You are contradicting yourself here. In one paragraph you say it does not matter and they belong at the rank. Then you state if they make the character harder they will drop. Meaning the character carried them there as the SR system is flawed and can be gamed.
Your story has very little value to the OP. Again, ANYONE with a brain can climb. To get out of the low ranks just use a hero that is self sustainable. You are almost guaranteed to gain SR by getting killed less and landing kills by hold right or left click without aiming.
The OP asked does he belong in bronze. That’s questionable. He could have great game sense and play the characters he is playing at a silver level. He could still be stuck in bronze. He could also have not game sense, make stupid plays and belongs in bronze.
Stating “i can climb, so can you” does not help him. Especially when if you climbed on characters that are almost guaranteed SR gains. D.va and bastion are not in that list. So telling him he can climb playing the characters he plays may not be true. For him to truly sway the match as D.va he has to have mechanical skills and support. He has to peel off support and matrix when possible. A lot of D.va’s in lower ranks do not even use D.va as a tank. Which ends up with the DPS and support being farmed by the other team.
Anyone can reach plat with the system in place. If you take a silver player and put them in plat they will more than likely hold their own. Will they fall again, who knows. The skill between silver → plat really comes from game sense. Putting a competent player around better players who do call outs, somewhat proper positioning and have the ability to call out the player for making stupid plays will allow the player to grow.
So if the OP wants to climb on the characters he plays he will need to learn to play them optimally. That also means that he needs the support of the team to play them optimally. Im sorry but a D.va that has no support or little support will not climb. Same for bastion.
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Its fairly easy tbh if you want to be a silver player instead of a bronze play.
(ok now this will sound stupid and repetetive but its the only truth in existence.)
If a bronze player becomes the silver smurf, then he will rise up to silver. Simple as that. 
Personal experience:
I had my season 1 and 2 in silver and bronze, but I refused to believe that I was a silver.
I played around 300h qp with friends who where platin, nearly made it to dia.
Whenever I played solo now, my games felt like I’m actually smurfing.
It took a lot a lot of time in gold, but after entering finally platin, it went fast. Since i can actually start to trust my team and they actually do good work. I Believe if I continue to play comp I might get it to dia.
I guess I can perform like a diamond ( and like a gold) i believe this bc I never grinded out my true sr and end competetiv play after placements.
My last 3 seasons where nearly full 100% winrate.
but my aim consistency is so terrible, I might nail tons of heads or I just go right next to the head and shot the air.
Become the smurf, and you will rise up.
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You either get a good player to rank boost you up. Or get a new account.
Huh, so a better player would be able to get a bad player’s rank up?
Good to know. Become a better player.
I guess most of u play on pc…i actually play on ps4…so its a dif crowd of people.
Maybe on pc elo hell as u all put it isnt as bad. I dont know…ive never tried pc.
But it does exist in some ways.
I have started to climb a little but a lot depends on the time of day/ and the people im teamed up with.
As ive stated before i never said i am perfect at the game. I just want better matches. Id be happy with high bronze/ low to mid silver. Never stated i belong in gold/diamond/ or gm.
Better matches are in every rank, and so are worse matches. You or I, we can’t control the quality of our matches, but what we CAN control is how good we are, which is why i focus heavily on improving
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