Shouldn't we nerf Widow a little?

Widow is a bit busted. You know a character is busted when “A better player of that same character” becomes the most suggested counter as you get higher in rank.

That said, she’s on as fine an edge as Bastion. Just like they can’t really improve his current kit in any way without making him busted OP they can’t really nerf her kit in any way without making her completely useless.

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Hanzo is all projectile. Yes, he is less forgiving than Widow, but not by much I believe. No need to reload, with the same charge rate or faster than Widowmaker, I think if people want charge rate to be touched, both have to be changed.

The way it is right now, Hanzo should outshine Widowmaker, as everything about him is theoretically better. One shot kills, no need to reload, plus utility and higher overall damage capabilities with SA and ultimate.


Don’t tell me to swap off Widow,
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Why do people just forget that Hanzo exists. :expressionless:

Widow counters Hanzo, not the other way around.

That is the point. Hanzo outshining Widowmaker ends at the statistics. His theoretical use means he can single handedly end goats if he is played with boosts.

But then, travel time, reaction time, and all else is factored in, and Widowmaker shines brighter. Because she is instant in her damage dealing, and her damage, regardless of charge, is reliable, as it is hitscan. Widow is made for long range. Hanzo has serious troubles in long range. He is a short-mid range man.

His ultimate is easiest to dodge. Widow’s ult cannot be dodged no matter what.

I am gonna try both of them in QP to quantify my results.

Hanzo is even more forgiving(imo), since the arrow size is a bit bigger than expected(probably for lag purposes). I also think he has a better mobility, since if you miss the grapple, well, the answer is Yes., but with hanzo you have both(limited ofc). And I agree, if something happens to the charge rate, both should receive changes, because if only widow gets nerfed, then it is game over. There was a time where Hanzo was outshined by Widow, and in that time, Widow was a bit trash, so imagine how horrible hanzo was.

??? Do you even play either of those characters?

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Except it doesn’t change how it feels to play against a good widow. As such i’d Still expect continued call outs to nerf her until she’s practically unplayable. Then people will “feel” less suppressed.

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Widow’s scope and being hitscan gives her the far longer effective range. She can use that to beat him, assuming the map allows it.

Hanzo is still able to play into Widow particularly if she has to position close to the front, but she has the advantage for sure.

He has wallhacks on cooldown, and he has a 1 shot projectile that is VERY easy to hit Widow with. If he plays around a corner he’s basically unkillable. Just because Widow is hitscan and Hanzo is projectile doesn’t mean that Widow is somehow better.

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I mean, if the Widow is being predictable enough to lose to wall hacks and playing close enough to be hit with projectiles, that’s just the Widow being outskilled.

Hanzo can kill Widow at any range, he just needs to aim upwards a bit more… You don’t even play Widow or Hanzo???

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You have to lead your projectiles, which is impossible if the target is moving unpredictably. So you’ll be relying on luck in part to hit.

I’m not saying Hanzo won’t ever get the Widow but she has significant advantages.

But the reason Widow is so easy to kill is because he basically stops moving when she scopes in…

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I’ve got about 830 hours on her as of today. She could use ADJUSTMENTS from all aspects. But if this is the case. Than ALL ranged-dps should be PROPERLY adjusted.

I thnk she needs to take more time to charge up shots like 4 or 5 sec t ba able to headshot kill a squishy. If they do this they should reduce the headshot multiplier and bring up the body shot damage so it can still do normal headshot dmg.

Other heroes have other mobility and survival to help them. Widowmaker when scope-in is extremely slow and easy to get a shot at.

That’s the main reason why some people go widowmaker to versus widowmaker, because it is very easy to headshot a scope- in wm.

I wonder how the next tank will interact with snipers. This is going to be interesting.

I don’t see why people bring up her small hitbox when she is basically immobile while scoped and very easy to shoot.

Also, shield tanks exist.

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Maybe to the point where we can nerf her damage enough so she can still pop squishy heads just fine, but the tanks aren’t punished as hard.