Speaking as a casual who’s part of the 80% of the playerbase where Tracer isn’t even good, I don’t see why she should get nerfed at all or even need a strong counter like Brigitte.
I understand some pros have a different opinion though, if only there is a way to nerf her effectiveness at the highest level without affecting the 80%…
Maybe I’ve just been up too long but this made me laugh. That would be interesting to throw his hammer.
I don’t know what the players in master, GM, or pro in general are seeing but I’ve got as high as upper gold and I still don’t see the need to nerf her there or lower. If she’s a problem it’s usually when I’m playing Ana. I’m kinda screwed without help then.
Otherwise it’s no different if Reaper, Soldier, etc find my blind spot. Catch the flank and if you don’t rush it your killing your target.
In my experience she doesn’t need a nerf.
The only two characters I feel are even remotely OP at the moment are Hanzo and Doomfist, and what is required there is delicate fine tuning, not reworks.
It feels to me Hanzo is basically where McCree was at the beginning; he could “one” shot any character in the game by fanning the gun. Doomfist is either sliiightly too resistant to damage or sliiiiightly too mobile.
IMHO, of course.
Tracer isn’t even good for the bottom 96% of players, not just the bottom 80%. Below Master, she’s basically a non-entity.
Plat chat problems with Tracers. You prolly didn’t notice but it’s “nerf doomfist”/“hack is too mean” season now.
With Doom if any change happens it has to be with a fine brush because he’s not really OP. With Widow and McCree I can shut him down pretty quick (and even Ana though not as hard). There is always a better player though so when I lose to him I’m annoyed but I know he/she was just really good.
Hanzo feels ok now too. They nerfed his mobility so he can’t escape as easily. It so far feels like it’s about right.
What do you mean tracer will never get a nerf? what was the 25% dammage nerf on her ult that happened only a few month ago then?
plat chat lul
A significant nerf to her tankbusting potential (which was intended), as well as to her multikill potential (which wasn’t intended). It’s too bad her ult’s damage falloff wasn’t recalculated when it was nerfed.
But this is simply not true. Otherwise Tracer would have either close to 100% pickrate or winrate in GM but her stats there are just average to low. Below GM she is mediocre at best, but actually a troll pick for 90% of the ladder.
What players are better than professionals? Turns out even they cannot utilize “has no counters and counters every hero” because post Brig/Hanzo Tracer is far from high pickrate. It was all snipers in OWL stage 4 and GOATS vs Sombra/DF dive in Contenders/OWWC. A hero uncounterable in right hands that counters every hero must be close to 100% in pro scene.
It’s also ironic to note that Tracer does not hard counter any hero. Not a single hero in the game is forced to swap just because enemy has a mediocre Tracer. Sometimes players mention Zen and Mercy, but they both had higher pickrate than Tracer in every ladder tier and in OWL stages 1-4.
Exactly. It seems to me the OP has not figured out how to trap, slow, freeze, snipe, block or (insert verb here) Tracer.
Tracer rewards hardcore investment, skill built over time. The average gold Tracer and the Master Tracer have already nothing but their kit in common.
I have more time investment on Tracer than any other characters. Yet I barely start to understand how to play her at a higher level. This is what makes her so entertenaing, you are always challenging yourself and never quite mastering her kit.
So you got that difficulty of her kit on one side and on the other side everything can basically oneshot her.
So in the end, most Tracer players are already forced onto other picks and adapt. Only the most skilled player can continue to play her, so really I do not get the idea of a nerf.
It took two whole years for her to receive changes of any kind, it’s safe to say that the developers are adamant about not changing her at all.
Honestly tracer doesn’t feel too oppressive as McCree even when I’m in bronze. You only shoot when she’s stunned with flash and it’s fairly consistent. She has 150 health so if she flanks me on high ground I drop to my team and a. Hopefully get healed b. Use my team as a meat shield because my healers don’t see me (I actually need to work on that, I just get tunnel vision when I heal)
If that doesn’t work 4Gitte is pretty easy, and hog doesn’t need to hook her, just walk up to her and hold m1 and she either runs or wastes recall D.Va doesn’t counter her, she just negates tracer, but if she’s flanking and I’m playing D.Va I can easily hold m2 down and then shoot her because of the Fusion Canon Spread
Tracer is like any hero with counters, they can work around them in shape, form, or fashion. Also, Tracer is really a troll pick due her still being viable is most situations.
Symmetra and Torb were considered troll picks for the longest time and have gone through reworks to fix that.
Compared to them, Tracer has never been seen as one to that extent and would have to disagree with that.
True not every player can beat their hero counters but there are a few that have it is possible.
Tracer was just the one of the only heroes that have been shown to consistently been able to do so.
I’ve even seen a Mercy player survive a Dragon blade by playing around it. Every hero in the game has the potential to work around their counters to the point it dosen’t affect them as much.
I think she should be nerfed… Why?
She is hard to master yes… but just because it takes a month to become almost immortal(in the right hands) is not really a reason she shouldn´t be nerfed
You fail to see the point. I’m looking at both sides of the same coin. I never though she needed a nerf when you look at it from statistic view point.
I merely wanted to see why people were pro nerf or pro no nerf. After all isn’t valuing both side of agreements the best way to get along better as a community.
The bold was just to separate each side. Also aren’t your bullet points serving the same function. I take you agree with the side that is against the Nerf and better counters? I do have that side listed to try and show their side to why she should not be changed and how changing her could actually hurt her.
Can you please explain Mery, Bastion, and Tank mains who as you sated whine and yet nothing happened? That is a medieval way of looking of things. For it hinders one side that is every agreement. I value your side but I wish you would not undermine their other side’s augment by calling it whining. If that was the case, then would those that are against it be considering whining as well?
You do know that is every hero can doge and was one of the reasons what Symmetra had to be reworked. I’m was saying that all of Tracer’s supposed counters all have one shot at stopping her and if they miss, Tracer can just run off. Which leaves a ripple affect as those things made to stop Tracer can be used on heroes that don’t have an escape method or survivability like her. That is why Brigette is considered broken to some. Like any hero Tracer knows to avoid their counters to the best of their abilities if they can’t kill them. Which again makes a ripple affect that since Brigette’s 1v1 potential is strong and can fight tanks if she has her ult.
I don’t believe I mentioned whither they were legendary or not. Just the total amount at the current moment in the hero gallery that aren’t brought in from the outside like her All-Star skin. It’s not in the regular gallery through normal means like Mei. If you disagree with them, you can look at your own hero gallery and look at the number before the 2018 Halloween Terror event comes. Mei realistically deserves any love that she can get, since many thinks she is a literally demon from hell. Which is not true, she one of the few heroes who’s personality is so positive and can rub off on the player to be positive.
The point is that the points for nerfing her are bad. Structuring won’t fix that. The structuring wasn’t the point, it was the points being bad ones. It seemed a little like you were saying that she should get a nerf, but wouldn’t, because she’s the mascot, which is why I even mentioned it in the first place, since your conclusion sounded like you wanted her nerfed but didn’t think she would be.
This is what happens when brain.exe crashes.
Jokes aside, Hog is being worked on and Blizzard stopped listening to the community about Mercy and Bastion ages ago.
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Oh, okay, I get it. I think. Never mind, I still don’t get what you were trying to say before this sentence.
Isn’t that fair? They missed, they messed up. Now they gotta deal with the consequences of it. If I miss a headshot on an ulting McCree as a widow (how?), then I messed up and I get punished for that with a death.[quote=“LibraReborn-1877, post:82, topic:221493”]
Mei realistically deserves any love that she can get
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No she doesn’t.
*Think.
Also, yes she is.
Yes it is.
*She is one of the few heroes
*Whose
No, she’s just annoying. If I could choose one hero to kill off in-lore, it wouldn’t be Brigitte, it would be… D.Va.
But after that, I’d kill Mei.
Never has, never does and never will.
If hero personalities rubbed off on their players, I’d be a happy frog instead of someone correcting bad spelling on the internet. xQc would be a bashful scientist, and if I were to make the joke I was going to, I’d get suspended. But I won’t, since I’d like to keep my posting privileges so I can, I dunno, correct more spelling mistakes.
And also, about the first thing you said:
Statistics only matter when they back up your argument, biggest rule of forum “feedback”.
And it was mostly how you said that Tracer was getting favouritism just because she’s the poster girl of the game that made me reply. I disagree with that, the reason she’s barely been changed is because she’s extremely balanced in terms of the skill to reward ratio. The only place she gets special treatment is lore (practically non-existant right now) and skins (And the last legendary skin she got was Anniversary 2017).
No. She doesn’t need to be considered as she’s really balanced and average. Players complained about her for 2 years because she was overpowered and after the latest nerfs to her she has been in a good and healthy position. There’s no reason to put any resources into considering her with the next hero release or with next balance changes