I just pray it comes in the form her utility and her “hacker” fantasy and not repeating the same mistakes they’ve already made.
You better be praying hard because this rework went in the direction of shorter hack and more damage.
Praying as hard as I can! Now she is just “girl with gun”. Riveting stuff.
Why can’t you flank without getting destroyed? You forgot to mention that part
Played a few games saw sombras on my team, they all performed well and played more towards how good players played sombra in ow1.
It just looks like the new changes are exposing all the bad sombra players who relied on staying in stealth gameplay most of the match as a crutch.
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FWIW I’ve always been vocally in favor of a return to OW1-like Sombra. As long as she has any invisibility, letting her virtually one shot people is a mistake.
Which is why she’ll be right back to being a problem and complained about endlessly if they do buff this version back up. My sincere hope is that they’ve realized they cannot do that and will intentionally leave this hero weak.
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That’s a big part of it right there. You can no longer choose the opportune time to pop out of stealth. You have to wait until your translocator cooldown is low if you want a chance at escaping. You also are constantly popping out of stealth every 5 seconds and announcing where you are each time. Against good players, you’re cooked.
Which is crazy when you think about it because Ana, Tracer, Hanzo, Widow, Hog, and Even Genji have all been complained about just as much, if not more and yet not a single one of them has had such of a deviation from their initial design or playstyle as Sombra has, it’s absolutely ridiculous. The people who are bad at the game got Sombra who is objectively and stats-wise, nowhere near as much as a problem as they say, nerfed and reworked into a different niche/playstyle before Mr Noob-stomper himself, Genji.
Even Brig’s identity wasn’t mutilated this much and I think she was the most hated character ever in the history of the game. Even DF who they swapped an entire class, got to keep most of his unique aspects and feel. It would be like them trying to morph him into a shield tank that frontlines like Rein and then having other people tell you to get over it because he was annoying even though he wasn’t OP, even though his mains got their hero basically replaced by something completely different.
Sombra was never supposed to be an assassin-type flanker, she was a disruptor. The balancing favoritism in this game is unreal.
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The better option is to not use Stealth that much. TP and take wide flanks where you can de-stealth out of audio range. I need to lab how large that range is now. It used to be just a few meters beyond hacking range.
I’ve mained Sombra since she was first released. I’ve mained her through stealth timers. I mained her when you played her as a 3rd support who farmed healthpacks and silenced the enemy tanks for 5 seconds. She plays nothing like her Overwatch 1 version.
Also, I never said anything about her being weak. I said her gameplay is clunky and feels bad. She’s lost her hacker fantasy and her invisible assassin fantasy. She feels like a waste of a character slot at this point.
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You can still choose the oppurtune time, you just can’t hang around wherever you want anymore. She even has her opportunist passive back, oppurtunity abounds!
Like, if you teleport to a guy because you saw they were low on health, now you have no escape right? Well, you wouldn’t have had an escape yesterday either, but today you know for sure that the guy is low health and exactly where they are instead of using guesswork.
You may ne vulnerable for longer, but you have greater damage too. Kill your target and the overall threat to you goes down. As soon as transloactor is off cooldown then you’re gone near guarenteed, even moreso than yesterday because nobody is knocking you out of stealth.
Sombra can still do her thing, you just have to actually look for oppurtunities now instead of waiting for the oppurtunities to come to you.
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Nothing like soldier way more like reaper and her ult is still the best in the game
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On a lot of maps that’s not a realistic solution and it just introduces insane amounts of downtime. If she had the hidden movement speed buff that tracer/genji do it might be a little better. She’s a flanker that doesn’t really want to flank anymore unless it’s the perfect opportunity or they have no heroes that can contest you.
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Now that much I could believe
People saying she’s like Soldier and it’s like, how? In no way, that’s how
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And the issue with this is that if I go for wide flanks I’m spending even more time as Sombra doing nothing than before when I had perma-stealth and could actively pick and choose my engagements.
Now if I want to flank I have to waste time getting behind them, waste time staying close enough but still far enough away that nobody notices, and waste time sitting in stealth when I’m in position because if I pop out before translocator’s cooldown is low I’m going to get jumped.
Flanking on Sombra now in a lot of cases is a total gamble or a complete waste of time.
No, you can’t. If the opportune time to pop out is when your translocator is on a 5 second cooldown and you pop out and they get help or defend themselves, which they do in higher ranks, you’re screwed. You have no mobility and no stealth.
The opportunist passive is nice, but with one less DPS on the field you’re not going to see a lot of people getting low. Not to mention most people get healed or have a support on the way when they get low like that.
My point isn’t that Sombra can’t flank at all. My point is that it’s extremely risky and downright stupid in high levels of play. She’s stuck playing Sombra 76 if the enemy team is actually good at playing the game, and she has no identity.
Because, in most scenarios, she has to stick within sightline of her team now and can only go for wide flanks on off-angles. Like Soldier 76. Not to mention Sombra 76 has always been the meme for the Sombra that sticks with her team and fights front to back teamfights.
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Why do you have one less damage on the field? Sombra isn’t spending nearly as much time doing nothing while invisible
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She is if you’re playing her as a flanker. Hell, she has even more downtime now because if the stars don’t align and your target isn’t vulnerable during the last second of your stealth, you need to wait for the cooldown again. It’s clunky as hell.
Definitely not because you’re going to be popping out of invisibility more often by force, meaning you’ll likely be shooting at off angles more often and not exclusively trying to gun people down in the back
Flanking doesn’t only mean being right behind people
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If I am constantly popping out of stealth to shoot people from off angles then I am dead weight. I can’t land my virus and my bullets are much less effective from longer sight ranges. Flanker Sombra only works as a close-range assassin, and as I explained, that’s very clunky and hard to make work.
So what’s the more consistent option instead? Sombra 76. Play with your team. Hack the front line, light them up, and MAYBE throw your translocator in the back if someone gets low and their healers aren’t around.
I mean, you’re saying a whole lot for the changes only being available for 4 hours
You should, like, practice bro
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And so are you “bro”. I’ve been playing Sombra since her release. My current opinion is more than valid.
I have been playing her and I am telling you, in my lobbies, she does not work as a flanker and she is no longer a hacker. She is Sombra 76. This would be like removing Genji’s dash reset and saying “You can still flank on him, just throw your shurikens from off-angles”.
The point isn’t to shoot from the off-angles, the point is to use the off-angles to close the distance before you shoot, and as I’ve already said Sombra can no longer choose the opportune moment to pick her engagement since her engage tool is also her escape tool on the same cooldown so…
Oh and keep in mind that this version of Genji doesn’t have deflect or double-jump or the movement passive either. That’s current Sombra.
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