If you think language can’t be used in an abusive way then you’re just living in a fantasy world. There is a difference between trash talk and intentionally belittling someone. I believe that attacking someone by telling them they are bad has no place in gaming or on a sportsball field.
You may not believe it but I am more thick-skinned than most could ever dream of. When people decide to generalize it gets under my skin - because it’s lazy. If you’re going to insult me at least do it in a direct way that’s applicable to the situation.
BTW, people have the right to be insulted at whatever they want. You have no right to tell someone how to feel about things, grandpa.
[edit:] by virtue of the person being in the same game means they are just as bad, if not worse, than anyone else in said game. “Pot meet kettle”, and all that.
This topic is about whether “dps diff” is “abusive” not whether ANY language in ANY situation can be abusive. Nice try though. The NFL should give you a call when they need goalposts moved. Further, you chopped up my statements to the point that there’s no context. Really intellectually honest way to approach things, on that note: why would I waste my time discussing this with someone who takes an entire post of connected arguments and viewpoints and responds to one sentence? You clearly aren’t able or prepared to engage the argument.
No you’re not. If you were, you wouldn’t come racing to the forums to spout off about someone saying “dps diff,” undoubtedly to you. Thick skinned people would see a statement such as “dps diff” for what it is: a meaningless triviality not worth a second thought. They’re not racing to their keyboard for group therapy about it.
And other people have the right to call them sensitive and in their feelings. It’s a free country. And yes, I absolutely do have that right, grandma.
If you were paying attention, you’d know that this wasn’t a conversation about general freedom of speech, but about whether or not “dps diff” being “abusive” makes any sense or is in itself an abuse of the reporting system.
False: there have been widespread recent reports, confirmed by Blizzard, of horrendously bad placements and improper ranking issues in OW2.
More that it is important to just focus on what you are doing. It doesn’t matter if others are having a bad game, what can you do about it after the match.
thats a huge problem in 2022, since everything can be everything, people don´t need to be in our reality anymore. everything can mean everything. words are just words…
Oh, so now it’s required that I respond to every single sentence you typed on an individual basis in order for the things I say to be legitimate? You weren’t coming to the conversation with any form of understanding in the first place.
You’d rather spout inane and antiquated ideas of “suck it up buttercup” than engage in a serious discussion on the topic. Well I’m here to say that the ideas of the generation you’re so fervently fond of regurgitating is outdated and rooted in a mentality of repression.
“Real men don’t cry”, “women should be in the kitchen”, and all sorts of racial discrimination abound with those types of thoughts as well. Are you fond of those too?
or perhaps you’re just trying to defend your own use of “X diff” because I pointed it out.
It’s called “expressing the extremes” and was meant to contrast the final statement, which I believe to be the most plausible. That they actively use “diff” to make people feel bad and defend it behind the curtain of “only sensitive people would feel bad about this”.
I mostly agree. I DO believe that hurtful things can be said, of course, or that words have the potential to do damage, but I don’t believe “dps diff” is among those things. And I certainly don’t think it’s “abuse.” Unpleasant, maybe rude even, but not abusive.
I also don’t think that people who singlehandedly destroy their team’s chances and waste their time have done anything categorically on a different level than saying “dps diff” which in itself is not a problem. What’s worse: wasting 30 minutes of someone’s time or hearing “dps diff?”
And you’re right here with me. So if I’m a debate lord, so are you. Clearly you meant that as a take down, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with debating an issue. Debating is thinking… maybe you find that problematic.
I leave it to Blizzard. If they think “support gap” is ban/mute-worthy, I’m good with it. If not, that’s fine also. I get hit with “support diff” occasionally and my only response is “cry”. I’m confident in my skill and my rank.
According to Blizzard Support it’s not even in their hands. The players make the rules and if someone is “reported enough” it doesn’t matter what it was for - the playerbase deemed them worthy of a punishment and the automated system does it. Support are even trained to NOT reverse the automated system’s decision.
Okay, let me pick this apart, because you’re jumping all over the place between objective factors and more subjective factors.
Putting the conflation that you seem to be making between the two aside, a targeted and completely unsolicited expression of disapproval/disrespect is pretty much the definition of an insult. And “diff” is not a statement of fact when it is based on a subjective measure, such as how “good” or “bad” any individual on a team is compared to another individual on a team.
Objective, observable measures would be things like, “ lost the 1v1 to the other ” or “ is dying more often than the other ”.
But “diff” is condensing these many possible intricacies down into a simple, mostly subjective assessment of “One is good at the game, the other is bad at the game”. It is assigning blame to one person, assuming that the situation must be due to some innate difference, without being specific enough as to what the actual situation is.
Your analogy of “punctuality diff” isn’t accurate, because it can be objectively observed/measured whether or not an employee shows up on time. Whereas players usually aren’t making an objective assessment when they say that one player on a team is better than another player on the other team.
Because the game is a team game, not a series of 1v1s - so it is far more complicated than that. So, in my opinion, it is often unacceptably inaccurate—and usually completely unproductive—to be that reductive about it, lacking in nuance.
A much more accurate analogy would be if your boss went up to you at the end of your shift and told you “[Other employee] is doing so much better than you are doing, they deserve to be here more than you do” without any kind of elaboration or clarification as to what exactly they’re doing “better” that you could try to do. So, if your boss doesn’t care to clarify, it’s pretty easy to assume that their intentions in saying this were—to put it very lightly—probably not useful or productive (i.e. constructive) in any capacity.
And if you want your actual arguments to be taken more seriously, chill with the ad-homs and loaded language. Most people don’t have the patience to continue an honest, good-faith discussion with someone who has proven that they’re only going to talk down to them.
It’s not being “over-sensitive”, it’s just how people work. In general, people like being respected, and don’t like being disrespected. As an extension of this, it is an act of self-disrespect to willingly stay in an environment that disrespects you.
This is why sportsmanship is a thing that many people value: it keeps peoples’ interest in (and enthusiasm for) the activity alive, by not driving them away and alienating them. After all, what is any kind of team sport without teammates or opponents to play with/against?
And, due to the profit motive, this is also why most online social platforms (including games) managed by privately-owned companies have a Terms of Service that outlines what they do not wish to be expressed through their platform. Otherwise, they would be pushed to the fringes and left with little to no audience among the general population, save for the most unsavory types that are not accepted elsewhere.
nah mate, plenty of heroes can yield obvious diff in performance but the impact is not gonna be the same.
A widow who’s only going for squishies kill is not gonna have the same dps as a junkrat that spam nades into tank (being pocketed by healers) all days.
A zen is not gonna have the same heal AND sometimes dps as a moira, but he has great impact with his discord target.
doing that midgame