I think some people are missing what tanks do. Absorb (tank) damage… Hog is easy to hit and can recoup half his hp by hitting a single button. Those who are mad that hog is a “fat dps” and don’t like being hooked and killed are people who need to learn positioning.
If hog hooks you in most cases you were the one who messed up. Not to mention the fact that hog is very easy to make worthless. Any hero with a shield and good positioning means hog is providing no value for his team. Mei freeze, Doom punch, Mcree flash, Sombra hack, Brig bash, Ana Sleep and Anti, Zen discord, and Sig rock can call lead to hogs quick death.
Again hog is easy to hit and tanks a lot of damage during team fights if he’s played correctly. He’s also easy to counter and those who keep whining about hook shot need to position themselves better.
I agree and disagree.
I think a tank should have the option to one shot if it’s something punishable and stop able like Reinhardt’s charge.
He can be stopped mid or before it and it’s easy to avoid.
In Roadhog’s case he’s kind of in a weird spot because of the low protection he has.
hook is nice to help a dived team members but it’s not a replacement for aoe protection…
If they let hog have some sort of a normal protection I think the best change for him can be increasing his spread and damage a bit.
That way he’s slightly better on tanks but can’t one shot a squishy.
Ofcourse I think it’s fair he will one shot Tracer considering how hard it is for him to catch her, and it’s fair for him to one shot Doomfist considering his big size and potential for temporary shields.
We have a 2-2-2 environment.
With Oneshot you negate 1/3 of the team (healers), since they can’t heal against a “insta death” ability.
Either remove one-shot, or make it an ult -> that can be countered by Rez (and rez has a high cooldown).
If I remember there was a big crowd saying “Mass rez is so unfair”, when it is actually pretty balanced (since ult) and parallel there are Hanzo/Widow, that can kill 2/3 (all low HP targets -> low means 250hp beacuse that’s what crits. can do) of the team with no real cooldown (Hanzo just the “bullettime” and widows “charge of scope”)
BTT: Roadhog has no Oneshot ability. It is a combination of multiple things (Hook, left, melee). So I would say it is more balanced than most ppl think.
One shots should be niche in a game. They shouldn’t be easy or frequent.
That said, Hog’s isn’t a one-shot per se. It’s a kill combo. The one-shots in this game I think are just Widowmaker, Hanzo, and Doomfist? A lot of other heroes have very rapid kill combos (Ashe with Mercy boost can technically count but that’s two people, so I call that a combo rather than a one-shot).
And yeah it’s probably not good for the game that a tank gets a kill combo. For exactly that reason, they removed that from Sigma’s kit. See, with anyone else that has a one-hit, you can shoot them. You can fight them. Because Roadhog’s a tank, that’s much less effective and you can only push back with CC or the focused fire from several individuals.
The counter-point to that is that in general, the community feels that Roadhog sucks. Although that’s more a condemnation of the state of the game than of the individual that has a lot of damage, is pretty self-reliant, and has a powerful kill combo, is still not considered a good hero.
So what do you do? You can’t take away the kill combo for the health of the game when it’ll put Roadhog in Bastion-tier territory.
It’s also super easy to avoid and/or bait out, though. Widow’s is harder to land but it can come out of nowhere from across the map. There’s no way Hog is sneaking up close enough for a surprise hook unless people just aren’t paying and, if you see him coming, just move a little bit.
There are mountains of ways to counter Hog hook. Hell you don’t even need to be a specific char you just need to play a corner and duck when he throws it.
Hog hook also stuns/roots Hog for the duration of the cast. He is easily punished even for landing a Hook and why Hog has to be careful when and where he hooks as he can be easily burned down.
Yeah, the issue is you are playing in his range. Not the range of the Hook. If you don’t respect the range then you pay the price. Tanks take and hold space. Also a Widow shot is instant and from any range.
Hook is a slow cast projectile, with a 20M range limit, that stuns the user until the Hook lands AND reels in the target.
I’m a decent Tank player and one of the tanks I enjoy is Hog. But countering another Hog is a joke. You focus on preventing Hook value and blam! Useless enemy Hog.
I see so many people complain about enemy Hogs while constantly ignoring the flanking Hog that we could dogpile and murder time and time again.
Thank you! Jesus. A close range Hook may be hard to counter but it’s rarely needed if you are in that range of Hog. A max 20M Hook takes forever to land and pull in. Also, it takes a ton of skill to lead Hooks to grab hypermobile heros.
The one’s who are CD aware and play corners like mad men. If they are have good aim then closing in on that corner to confirm that kill is a huge risk.
Because it’s the single most cancerous ability to use. It has inconsistent hitboxes that either completely ignore people or suck them in, it’s clunky af and the person using needs to be very aware of what they’re doing otherwise it becomes a suicide button.
Defense matrix
Recall
Deflect
Sigma matrix
Rock
Flashbang
Healing, almost any form of healing
Boop
Literally all of doomgists abilities
Sleep dart
Another hook
Wrecking ball
Coach gun
Bob
Grav
Grav 2
Experimental barrier
Bubble
Barrier
Lúcio ult
Zen ult
Brig ult
Whipshot
Literally bodyblocking
All these can interrupt he hook combo, none of them can interrupt an instakill headshot.
You mean HRRRGH sorry I couldn’t hear you over engines flaring WHAT did you say? Pauses to jump backward
Oh the widely telegraphed, loud ability that unlike Hook is completely melee- boops half of the time- and leaves Rein horribly out of position if misused?
Huh, I wonder why that isn’t compared with the (equally buggy) 20 meter ranged attack of Chain Hook.
Disclaimer, I don’t think Hog needs nerfs. Just pointing out how silly it is to complain about CHARGE of all things. 80% of the player base is Gold and Platinum and you’re complaining about CHARGE?
But Roadhog is no tank, despite the game putting him in this category, he is DPS in every way, and as a DPS the oneshot combo is absolutely fine.
He can not be played anyway in most circumstances, because playing Roadhog means you give up one tank slots, and all the other tanks are way to strong to do this.
What you are playing a “support” able to oneshot and complain about a tank that can oneshot? Double standards anyone?
