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learn to stop rez. all it takes is paying attention.
share what u smoking.
rez is insanely risky to any enemy who has awareness.
only “safe” rez is if ur in i.field, behind a wall, or a zarya bubbles you.
all of which are not the normal situations.
pro tip: kill the mercy 1st.
in fact a 2nd tip: kill supports before tank…they die easy and w/o heals everythign else dies faster.
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I will say, however, I do miss multi-res. It’s hell when you have a mercy who thinks you, as their tank, should be resurrected after a fight is already lost. That’s just extra ultimate feed, respawn time, and another death on the counter.
Why stop there?
Lucio can no longer speed boost tanks.
Bapt’s lamp can no longer protect tanks.
Kiriko can no longer cleanse tanks.
See where I’m going with this? You can’t pick and choose what abilities work on some heroes and not other.
Mercy already can’t damage boost some heroes ults like Hanzo’s dragons. IMO she shouldn’t be able to damage boost ANY alt or should be able to boost them all, even heal/boost Junkrat’s tire.
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As a Mercy player I firmly believe that NO ULT should be able to benefit from ANY form of damage boosting.
Oh and there are some really dumb situations when you sometimes can boost a part of the ult (yes, I am talking about you, Sigma…). Like wtf is this?
im a support main , i cant sleep the damn moth necromaner as ana thats all , and an ult should not buff every ability in her kit , thats basic game design .
You cannot sleep a target that has 75% slow… You have some aim issues to resolve my friend.
Why? Any argument here? Or just ‘I don’t want that’.
And, of course, we can always scrap valk as ult and go back to the old ult, that was able to resurrect whole team. That went well didn’t it?
you cant call it a skill issue when shes in valk her movement speed is 9m/s and ga is 25m/s and she can ga to dead allies , and she can spam movement in 8 different directions because she can fly , you cant sleep that .
and as for the ult argument , i told you its basic game design , when an ult cannot be countered by other players , it is broken , valk is not broken , but it provides a lot of value for the entire team for free , mercy’s old ult was fine but they kept buffing it until it was busted , before those buffs all you needed to do is kill the mercy when ulting , she couldn’t ga to corpses and she needed to be in LOS to rez .
so yeah you’re just defending your main and its so obvious .
The only way this sort of change will ever make sense is if they vary the cooldown of resurrect based on how much HP it resurrects, or if they only restore 150 HP of what they rez or something.
At the end of the day a game needs to have clear, uniform, and cohesive rules, and we have enough obscure “X doesn’t work because Y” stuff with Mercy’s damage boost interactions as-is.
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yes… And 2.25 m/s while rezzing… Slow still applies in valk you know?
That is normal feature of GA. Calling it out here in a context of Valkyrie is disingenuous.
Same as above, she can still do it without Valk. What is your point? And she cannot do any of that (ga or use movement tech) while resurrecting.
If you try to sleep her mid GA there is your issue with aim. Wait until she stops to rez.
According to whom? Any books/articles/studies on that that you can refer? Or is it just ‘I don’t like it so it shouldn’t be like that’? I get the feeling it is the second one, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now.
Valk can be countered… Good widow usually just clicks her head. McCree can force her out of the sky by saying 4 words. So it is does not apply to valk. It would be like saying ‘rip tire is broken, there is no counter play’. There is… KILL THE TIRE.
Glad we can agree on that. And ult is supposed to give a ton of value for free. That is how ults work in this game. We have tranc, beatdrop, rush, visor, and so on… Why Mercy’s should be any different?
Lol, the only thing they did was add iFrames so she does not die while her teammates are respawning (and have iFrames themselves). You couldn’t stop it either way, it just made sure she is not trading her life for rez. How was that ‘busted’?
It was instant cast. iFrames were added so she can survive AFTER resurrecting.
She always could GA to dead allies o.0 And she could ACTIVATE rez without LoS. The hell, she could do it from spawn on certain maps (for example on Gibraltar last point defense)
Yeah, you just have no idea what you are talking about and it is obvious.
it doesnt work like that , mercy usually ga rez and ga back to safety , oh and you can still rez while doing a super jump , so its definitly not 2.25 , and the slow is calculated as a percentage , its not static , so if she moves faster in valk , shes faster when she rezzes
no she cant , she slower when shes descending and she moves in predictable patters when using movement abilities , its not the same
why would i sleep during ga , youre talking nonsense
this is not science so i can quote other ppl , design is different , you keep twisting my words and trying so hard to make me say “oh i dont like it” but idc , if i dont like something i ll leave the game , it is bad design because unlike EVERY other ult in the game , the mercy doesnt get punished when shes ulting , and the ult doesnt require strategy , you can just use it whenever to get a ton of free value with a click of a button
how is that busted ? its in the name lol INVINCIBILITY , its the same as suzu rn
no , she couldnt do it in the beta , they added the buff in the official release
cute , now i know why everyone hate mercy mains
Just make rez her ult. Problem solved.
Are you for real? 9*0.25=2.25
so IT IS 2.25 m/s in valk… Without it is 1,375 m/s forwards and 1,2375 m/s backwards… Come on man, it is second grade math.
And there is 1,75 second animation in between those GAs. So if you cannot hit her then it is a skill issue. Work on your reactions, awareness and aim with sleep.
whaa? she cannot use her movement tech without Valk? waht? I don’t know what you smoke, but I want it.
You are the one that talks about ga speed and tech and then follows it up with ‘you cannot hit that with a sleep dart’. So it is YOU that is talking nonsense here.
No it is not. If there are ‘rules’ you can point me to them. Just like theory of music, you can break all that down. If you can’t it is just your feelings. And those are not objective facts (besides a fact that they do exist).
I didn’t twist anything. I just asked if you can back up your claims about ‘rules of game design’. So far you cannot.
Tranc, visor
I just need one example to disprove an abolute claim so two are more than enough.
Uhm what? it is more strategic than half of the ults in this game.
OK I will use it after we ein team fight. Free value for every one.
It is not that simple as you want it to be. But no, I am not saying here it is hard to use ult or it requires ton of setup.
Suzu ain’t busted. And i guess you are against Mei cryo and also tranc since those give out iFrames also?
Oh and the IF.
Fact that something gives iFrame does not makes it automatically busted.
I am talking about actual released product. Beta is what it says it is. A BETA.
the ones without anything smart to say and without any evidence to back up their claims do.
Just like flat earthers hate every one that asks them for actual evidence that stands to scrutiny.
So yeah, you are cute.
read the whole thing , shes 17m/s fast during ga and super jump
u said it , shes not completly still during rez she can still move , and she can still strafe , and she has a really small hitbox , its not a skill issue , which is weird coming from u a silver 2 mercy main
i didnt not say that , i meant its not the same as when shes in valk , forgive my english
that doesnt mean i wanna sleep her during ga , im talking about the movement speed , see how you twisting my words , you only hear what you want to hear , and you just want to prove that its a skill issue but you cant
no , game design is built on trial and error , youd be surprised how many game abilities where just bugs at first or were unintentional (example : super jump) so there are no rules , but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be controlled and balanced
not rules , principles maybe ? idk
visor can be blocked by sheilds or cover , tranc needs to be used to counter enemy ults , its really slow to build and useless when not timed correctly , my point still stands
proof ?
you can , if youre THAT stupid
suzu is the whole reason why kiriko is a must have in every match , so no youre wrong , it is busted and blizz already started nerfing it
its still a balance change that happened during the lifecycle of the game , you cant just ignore it
awww thank you , and dont bring the flat earthers example , its not the same , this isnt science , there is no right or wrong , i dont need to provide evidence , but i already did and you just cant handle it
The best I can offer is 5 more pistol ammo.
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Well, you are the one saying she can move faster than that during ressurect… She cannot use GA during res so why are you bringing that up?
Yes she can. And landing a shot on a target that bearly moves is not that hard. There is a reason why Mercy does not go for every rez she sees.
You know that her hitbox is actually bigger when she spreads her wings right? That is why some consider spamming Angelic Descent as cheating since she does not spread her wings using that tech.
It is. If you cannot hit a target that bearly moves it is a skill issue. Right now you sound like you want supports to be a free kills.
Aaaaah and now we rank shaming… And it is S1 at the moment. And I bearly play comp. So yeah.
Almost like that ult is supposed to buff her in every aspect 
Then why we are talking about it? And then you follow up that with ‘you cannot sleep her like that’? YOU brought that up, not me.
Yeah, and it is relevant the the resurrection how exactly?
I am not. You DID list bunch of her speeds including GA speeds and then said it is impossible to hit that. Yeah it is. That is the point, since she does not shoot back or anything.
Well because it is a skill issue if you cannot hit a target that is moving at 1,3 m/s speed
I know how many. And SJ was 2 bugs in a single package.
So why you brought them up? Now I am really confused.
First you have to provide evidence that something is unbalanced.
And yes, if something is unbalanced it should be nerfed. I did not say otherwise.
Same thing. Who made those principles? If it is a consensus you should be able to point me towards something. At this point it is just your opinion, not a fact.
And mercy can be shot down from the sky… Denied LoS…
Same thing applies. It is not ‘uncounterable’ ult as you try to paint it.
It was Hitchens razor in practice. Maybe worded poorly. But still it stands. Valk is not ‘an ult that does not require any strategy or tactics’
Well, I just followed your instructions. YOU said that you can use it at ANY time and it will give you value. I just showed that it is simply false.
Just like anti nade was for ana for six years. And nobody batted an eye. The fact that ability is needed in a game does not make said ability broken.
Beta is not a ‘life cycle of a game’. Beta is a experiment on a game.
Why? I see no difference. Both do not provide any valid evidence, and both are screaming at the opposition. If you do not want to be compared to a group that does not bring evidence to the table, then maybe bring some actual valid evidence?
So? You still need evidence to make an objective statement. Unless it is subjective statement. Then it is fine, you can say whatever you want based on your feelings but do not present it as actual facts then…
So she both is busted and not? Huh?
If you make objective statement about balance in a game there is right and wrong. Right now, since you did not brought up any evidence, you are not right.
You need if you want to make objective statement. Otherwise it is just simply not valid statement…
Huh? that was not evidence, that was just your feelings that ‘iT iS tOo StRoNg’. That ain’t evidence, that is just how you feel. Nothing wrong with that, but do not present it as an actual fact about the game.
yes she can ever since super jump reequire one button , she can ga superjump and press e and recieves almost no movement penalty
i meant in valk
no her hotbox gets bigger only in valk , and its just a 10% increase
again , the target is moving , maybe youre just the only player in the world who stay still during valk and rez
skill issue ? haha
you brought it up ?
again silver 2
we just both agreed that you can use it at any time , im not contraditing you , im just saying that using it in that situation is stupid , so youre actually agreeing with me , so its not false
totally different abilities , i dont know how why youre bringing it up
no beta are to make sure for optimizing the game and the servers
i love it when i try to provide evidence and you just say its a skill issue , its makes you look like someone whos fingers are deep in their ears and screaming so they cant hear anything
same logic applies to your skill issue argument then , and i did provide evidence , like ga combos , spammable movement , etc youre the one ignoring them
ok lets say its not evidence , how about half of the community agreeing with me , how about mercy being the third most picked support in competitive ,and having higher winrate than BOTH kiriko and ana , and having one of the lowest kda stats in the game rn , meaning she can just exist and do nothing and still win games , and if youre going to ignore the stats this convo is pointless
Slow still applies. She can’t ad strafe during SJ rez as you imply here. It will be at reduced speed.
In valk she moves 2.25 m/s during rez. Point stands.
Always while her wings are spread. That means also during Angelic Descent and rez.
Where I wrote she does not moves? She bearly moves… Now I know that you are either trolling or want supports to be a free and easy kills.
Time issue, but you can think whatever you want about that. If you would look closer at my profile you would see that I played ranked waaay less than any other mode. But keep telling yourself that to cope I guess…
Huh? You need a reminder?
So no, YOU brought that up, not me.
Again shaming rank because some one bearly plays comp and hence do not climb… Says a lot about you tho.
It is… But you said it will provide value. It won’t, hence your statement was false. And I did not agree on that ‘you can use it whenever and it will give value’. LOL.
No I am not agreeing with statement ‘you can use it whenever and it will provide value’. Again, I do not know what are you smoking but I want some. Seems like good stuff.
Different in their usage, but same in a way that both were required at some point. We needed cleanse in this game to cleanse garbage like anti heal. We got it. The fact that ability is needed for game to be enjoyable does not mean that said ability is broken.
Because you did not provide actual evidence. You just state your feelings about something. How is your feeling an evidence?
GA has NOTHING to do with RESURRECTION. You cannot use GA while you rez.
So? It is all she got for her self defense. And we are discussing rez here, not GA movement. And how fast she can fly in GA does not affect res, since she cannot fly around using GA while rezzing.
No, I am just pointing out that there is no correlation between GA and rez.
Collection of feelings is still not evidence. The fact that ‘X people agree with me’ is not a valid argument lol.
That has more to do with sojourn that is still busted, but she cannot OHKO with rail without blue beam. How about before that? she was barely picked in GM.
I wold need an actual data now, but still in how many of those games was Vivian also present alongside Angela?
That would means she has low kills and assists and high deaths.
You meant she has HIGH KDA I think, and that is due to the fact she is slippery.
No that does not mean that. It only means she dies less often that anyone else.
So why you ignoring rest of the stats? Like the fact that she brings less damage to a team than ana or bap?
To rez a tank basically requires.
1: An opening in the enemy team who aren’t watching me
2: Flying into an actual warzone, standing still and glowing.
I have brought back many a tank and it’s nearly always at the expense of my life.
Your post is speaking like Mercy spawns a tank out of thin air and that’s absolutely not the case
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