Pharah and Junk can 2 hit 300 hp heros and can now kill tanks with one less shot. junks combo is now more easy to hit bc your mine can be further. sig orbs do the same damage from further away and the same goes for any other Aoe damage hero. The 30% also really helps characters that do small chip damage like Tracer, Reaper and D.va for Example. they now need to land 5% less shots to kill you (thats huge). Sojourn can now one hit kill More reliably. and so forth and so on. its a huge change and affects every hero to some degree.
Properly, huh? Thatās funny, off topic but glad we got away from that nonsense
All the same, tanks were straight up easier to kill in 6v6
As usual, ChiefWammyBammy here to defend every braindead decision!
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Zen wasnāt that good, and 25% may have been too low given how little uptime discord gets nowadays. They tried him at 275 hp (season 9) and he was almost too good in that stare. Boosting his survivability would make him even nastier than the 30% discord buff.
As long as people continue to use the same proven tactics to defeat Zenyatta, the orb buff wonāt make much difference.
Changing 3 shot kills to 2 shot kills, while impactful, is not something you are unable to deal with or is unreasonable in nature considering that sort of change is the purpose of an ability like discord.
Also chip damage getting boosted is the sort of balancing based on vibes thing I was talking about earlier, where there isnāt a concrete reason to change things.
As usual? Hiding on an alt are we? Or just a mega lurker?
By playing properly, I was more referring to character selection same as you were. You only brought up pairings with Sigma where blocking the effect of discord is relatively easy without thinking about matchups where that isnāt the case. Thinking about oddball pairings or even something like D.va Winston or Rein Zarya where more damage does get through, they are individually easier to kill than in 5v5 and as such would be more impacted by the 30% discord.
Changing discord to be weaker and changing tanks to be stronger, then later on making them stronger yet while making discord much less spammable? I think thereās fair reason to reconsider the change
Even oddball pairings like this with coordination provide more mitigation against discord than what is available for a lone Queen, Doom or Hog.
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In exchange for the lack of mitigation, the 5v5 tanks can just hide for a second and be free of discord for the next 7 seconds. Also on top of that, again theyāre just straight up harder to take out. Using Doomfist as an example is just silly because even at 30% discord heās still tremendously more difficult to kill than he was as a damage character.
Plus, are you just not able to coordinate with your non-tank teammates to take advantage of Zenās own heightened vulnerability thanks to 5v5 having that one less tank to protect him? You are more vulnerable, so is he!
6v6 tanks could do the exact same thing with more mitigation, and yet 30% was still too much.
And yet Doom alone is easier to kill than any 6v6 lineup with at least one shield.
But I enjoy the foul ball abuse!!!
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6v6 tanks had less mitigation and got spammed by discord way more
Also no, Doom dies much less now than in OW1 I assure you
Zen did not have a per target cooldown in OW1. Thatās fair to mention.
Pfft, he probably still holds the highest death rate. Vendettaās the only one competing with him as far as I can tell.
Besides the point and also not thanks to Zen specifically by the by
No, Zenās a counter and contributes plenty to that death rate lol
Yes, I said that itās not specifically thanks to him
Thatās not the same as saying Zen doesnāt kill Doomfist, like cmon. Reading comprehension!
Ironic coming from the guy who says ā30% IS NOT THAT DIFFERENT HUR HUR HURā
Because itās not! Do the math on something and tell me how different 25% and 30% are
Devs: Zenās defensive capabilities need some help.
Devs: *buffs offensive capability*
Everyone: *disliked that*
Me as a Zen player though Iām just glad he got any attention at all, lol. Iād prefer if they buffed his ult to something useful though.
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Do tell me how much of a difference a 30% increase is compared to 25% on a source of damage like fire strike!