Revert the past damage buff and clip size nerf and instead give him either of these honestly.
Literally any of these would’ve been a 10x better option for a buff. (on a hero who literally didn’t need one anyway. Thank god they buffed him before d.va or monkey.)
I liked the general idea of the 1-3-2 Hog. Giving Take-A-Breather some team utility brings his offtank power closer to Zarya and D.Va levels. Nerfing the damage allows Hook to be used to force heroes into bad positions instead of just one shot kill zzz. Better hook also emphasizes that even further.
All 3 of those buffs go to him at once and he is still terrible and not playable. His entire is built around hook combo working consistently and if it does not work he is not a viable hero.
This is just so untrue it’s hilarious. He didn’t even need buffs before he got his damage one. It just simply wasn’t his meta, with double shield going on. That’s it.
Better yet, revert roadhog and don’t touch it.
He was the worst tank in the game by far and was in the previous meta and the one before and the one before that. Basically the last time it was his meta was 3 years ago when his hook functioned. Your fundamental premise is so untrue that it is hilarious.
An even truer statement. He didn’t even need to be touched.
True. He had a meta involving him when baptiste was first introduced and bunker was made.
But again, he wasn’t a bad pick at all afterwards. The meta just didn’t involve him again, but you could still use him.
Before this recent patch he was easily better than both orisa, d.va, and winston.
They all needed buffs before they even took a look at roadhog.
How was he the worst? For the +1 damage per projectile buff he received, he also got ammo and fire rate nerfed.
Outside of 2016 Triple Tank & Slambulance, he has never been a meta choice.
When bap was introduced? When orisa came? Pull hook meta? Bunker???
Again, never said he was a meta choice. My point is that he hasn’t been a bad pick.
That is like saying DVA does not need buffs and that it is just a bad meta for her.
Also none of the tanks listed, excepted arguably DVA, were stronger than Hog. He was certainly not better than Orisa, aka one of the 2 the meta tanks (sorta silly to imply otherwise). He was not better than Winston who was low key good in this meta. Everything you said is wrong. He has been the worst or 2nd worst tank in the game for most of the past 3 years because he did not function properly.
We were still in the middle GOATS when Baptiste was introduced. Orisa centric metas didn’t really exist prior to RQ.
It took the community almost a year to realise Halt/Hook was an actual thing, but Dva was still by far the dominant off-tank choice by the time people started actually trying this.
Hog is one of the easiest tanks to shut down with some teamwork. That’s why we’ve barely ever seen Hog played in OWL in the past few seasons. That’s why he has never had a chance to really be meta.
In the last season the meta was sigma rein. Orisa was barely involved and was literally only usable with a 2nd shield tank. Roadhog was def better.
Winston was literally bottom 2 in pickrate across all ranks last season… Roadhog was better.
I mean the stats don’t lie. D.va, orisa, and winston all had lower pickrates. They simply were used less because they were worse lmao.
Meta was Orisa/Sigma. Meta has never been Rein/Sigma. That has literally been a meta comp. It is a viable comp, but it is not a meta comp. Rein was just the tank you picked to play with heroes who were not Orisa or Sigma which boosted his pick rate.
Winston/Zarya was a good comp into double shields. I had no interest in playing it, despite the fact that Zarya is my best hero, and it was much harder to play than double shields but it is a fact that playing Winston/Zarya was a viable option.
The problem is you see the data, but do not understand beyond those numbers (or in the case of Orisa you are outright lying about what the numbers are saying). You saw the most picked tanks (in which Sigma was 1 and then Orisa and Rein basically were tied in pickrate at the top which is where the meta exists) and assumed Rein/Sigma was a comp people were consistently playing when it was not.
Basically the only way you could get away with playing Hog (note he was still not good but a way in which you were not basically throwing the game) is if they did not have double shield or a Zarya. There were still other easy counters to him, but at least you could play him into that and have it be viable. So as long as you are not running any of the 4 most common tank comps with the 4 most powerful tanks you could play Hog without it being throwing the game.
Orisa sigma was double shield 1.0… After sigma and orisa got nerfed a bit it went back to rein zarya, then went into rein sigma. The whole last season was rein sigma. You can go to overbuff right now and sort the tank pickrates for the past 3 months and 6 months and see that orisa has been all the way at the bottom, and sigma is near the top with reinhardt.
A viable option that almost never happened as winston sat at the bottom for pick rates pretty much the entire last season.
No like literally… last season was when I came back to overwatch and was much more involved. I was always on the forum and checking pick rates and stuff. Orisa literally never broke top 3. It was Rein and sigma / zarya would swap between 2nd and 3rd. Orisa was 4th in GM. That’s the closest she ever got. Orisa was meta back during sigma’s initial release. But since then? Not at all.
I got away with it. Hell, I got away with it so much apperantly I got a 63% winrate and got to masters on my first season maining him.
He just needs a passive to give less ult to the enemy
First off when the patch hit in GM where there is a meta the top 2 tanks were Sigma and Orisa with Sigma by a wide margin and Orisa being basically the same as Rein. Again this is a fact. Until they nerfed Halt you basically went Orisa Sigma as the optimal tank comp, or played Rein if your teammates wanted to play Zarya or Ball or Hog (Sigma/Ball was not great but people did try it sometimes). Literally Orisa/Sigma was the meta since they nerfed shater. It was that exact patch and it happened instantly. That is the sad reality and is impossible to honestly argue.
People do not pick in their best interest outside of GM. This is a known fact. If people did you would see a lot less hitscan and a lot more of the “off meta” heroes at lower ranks because are bad at countering them.
If we are going to talk sub Master (or even low Master) then there is no need to talk balance or meta because the game is fine there. You can pick any hero and your skill on that hero is the determining factor in wins or losses because people do not do the basic things of both that hero and the game properly enough for balance to even be a meaningful factor in the results.
A Diamond Hog is the same skill as a Diamond Sigma is the same skill as a Diamond Rein. Right now a GM Zarya is the same as a Masters Orisa because at that point you cannot go higher. It is true for DPS as well. A GM Ashe is about the same as a Masters Sym, but a Plat Sym is the same as a Plat Ashe.