We already have Masters players playing in Bronze on smurf accounts, and you want Blizzard to make it official thus validating smurfs?
No.
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Nobody thinks theyre going to lose their rank (except maybe the 1% of pkayers that placed in GM 10 seasons ago and have only ever done placements since).
The reason high rankers dont want a reset is because they dont believe that the matchmaker is rigged against players. Because its not. So theres no benefit to a reset, except to cowtow to the people that think they are being held back by the system.
On the other hand, the negative repercussions would be seriously bad for the health of the game.
You’d have accounts placed too high or low because 10 games isnt enough to properly place someone. So then you have people dragging their teams down until they derank far enough, as well as (essentially) smurfs stomping the daylights out of everything in sight until they climb to where they belong.
The grind back to an appropriate rank is also a headache that some players just wont want to deal with. Some people only have time for a couple of games per day. So it could take weeks for them to be in a place where they dont either feel boosted or like theyre smurfing.
And, speaking of smurfs, every single one would thank you for the free SR reset. It saves them dozens of games of throwing, and it spares them from all the reports that would have come from that derank session. It’s like a fastpass to bronze
Well at the moment the game is already full of high diamonds farming bronzies on burner accounts, so I’m not really sure what the complaint is.
There was a hard reset after S1 because they changed competitive pretty radically. It was judged to be unfair to have a season of unlimited duplicate heroes inform the ratings of seasons where that was no longer possible.
Now that they’re not only hard locking a 2-2-2 comp, but also separatign ap layer’s SR by hero roles, I think it’s entirely possible that some sort of firm reset might come along.
Worst that will happen is that your S18 placements will look exactly like your S17 placements did, except you’ll know the person on the other end might actually move in rank from placements. The horror.
Wth is that comparison
Mathematically false. Every second of every day there is an unfair match going on with alt accounts, smurfs, throwers, leavers, etc. Its worse the lower you get.
I would gladly trade 10-20 more torturous matches for the breath of fresh air that would be a fair ladder with actual rank integrity. So what else you got?
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Jesus christ, trying to explain it mathematically when its a fact that games gonna be a complete sh*tshow after a reset. Not even close to what you experience right now.
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Or maybe there is reset and you were placed where you belong?
Actually that is exactly what many of us currently experience almost every single match.
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Ya , many of you also tell me that they get held back by smurfs or the mmr system is broken
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That’s not gonna work, the game rules will change with role lock.
The best they can manage to do is a soft reset, anything but that will simply be as random as before and cause more harm than do good.
The system has changed thus the results it produces will change, the extend remains yet to be determine
Well, say this to JK bcs it works good for me on PTR and I’m actually on the same rank as I am on live servers.
Full reset for a full change to laddering conditions. Out with the old era anchor stats and initial placement bias, and in with fresh start. It’ll sort itself out quickly, and you might be shocked at where you actually belong.
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Only when everyone is playing a lot. Many people making breaks that are weeks or months long. Imagine a bronze or gm player making a pause right before a hard MMR reset hits. When he coms back, he will be so displayed for a solid 30-50 games. And as I said, a lot of people doing breaks (especially bronze players). Do you wanna have a bronze player every 5 or so games (assuming you are gold or plat)?
Example: I didnt played this season any ranked cause I did not have time so far.
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I was shoked that I got placed in masters as DPS player when I’m a flex support main in Diamond. So yeah, this will happen on live servers.
But Ladder will become a mess with full reset. Imagine 3 bronze players 2 gold and 1 silver team playing against 2 plats and 4 masters-GMs
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You need to remix and reseed the population. Its like reshuffling the deck of cards. Right now there are runaway and grandfathering effects where the cards are binned into 5 tiers - the same X cards get reshuffled between each other and there isnt much cross-polination.
The washed GM accounts should chance contest for gold wins just like the bronzies do. Equal opportunity no grandfathering.
+/- a tier isn’t surprising. Its the smurf accounts or the hardstucks that need exposure to the warpzone without the continual hinderance of grinding low rank sabotaged games.
And many of our discord went from 800sr to 1200sr but can easily field diamond level play. The matchmaker isn’t ‘biting in’ to what makes a player good enough for a certain calibre, its just looking to adjust your current sr based on slightly looser placement mmr. This is proven broken and dated methodology.
Every other game is disrupted, corrupted, or ruined in wood/bronze/silver. Those ranks need some serious shots at making escape velocity and they would gladly take it if it meant facing those oh so common GMs (there are less than 1% GM players) a few times to sort things out.
I highly doubt that many people are experiencing teams with 4-5 different ranks playing with or against each other and having that determine you base SR.
but for players wholl experience totally new comp rules and new meta, even i dont wish complete reset, lowering MMR could make great result for both new and old players
I could do all kinds of math about ratings systems but it would go over your head. The system is borked and a reset is a necessary evil.
Exactly this. Its upwards of 90% of my games in wood. Spreadsheets, logs, and apps record these facts. I’m not going DOWN in quality with a hard reset. Judging from the number of complaints on these forums, in-game, on reddit/media, neither would a very significant slice of the population. I would say the bulk masses of players would stand to gain heavily from a reset.
I will have to squirm unfortunately, if they don’t. The PTR role ranks look kinda ‘soft’ resetting…still not enough if you ask me.
Its a new gameplay style, a new era/regime, therefore new ladder. Wipe it clean. Fresh start equal initial bias for all. Stop letting casuals be grandfathered in and hardcore veterans anchored down.
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Well, thing is? Smurfs are a reality. Not to the point of holding anyone back, but they’re there. The skill disparity found sub-diamond (especially in Silver and Platinum) is also real. hell even higher than diamond there’s still a fair share of gormless potatoes taking up bandwidth, right?
“Fairness” is not a meaningful argument in the face of these realities. The game can’t actually deliver “fair,” just because of the human element.
Further, some of us were there for the S2 hard reset. The sky did not fall. GM’s were not chucking bronzes around by the ears. It was perfectly stable, and as predicted, people just ended up pretty much where they left off.
Except, of course, for the people who had been boosted.
But of course, no one’s too worried about what happens to boosteds who have been playing 10 placements and logging off for the last 10 seasons, right?
right?
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the anchor is nothing more then a few bits of string and maybe some sort of wet paper sack. If a person can’t rocket out of the lower 60% of the player base that is gold or lower, they have core fundamental issues with their game play.
Being you can walk up and punch golds to death. I’ve cleared pirate ships of a bastion as Torb, with my hammer. I killed a silver Bastion as Lucio 3+ times in a row on PTR the other day… and I’m just a meh 3k player.
There is nothing wrong with being a lower rank, until the players down there start to think they are already playing at a higher SR level but stuck there due to whatever is the newest not muh fault. I think the newest one is the anchor stats line from that one youtube video.
Resulting in a trap where they don’t work at getting better as they already think they are better.
Reset is totally pointless.