Can this primary healer meme end please? Her best theoretical healing on a single target averages out at 40HPS. That’s if she can keep inspire up, which in her current state isn’t reasonable unless your team is absolutely stomping the other team. And uses packs on cooldown. There’s a little front loading but still about 40HPS.
Mercy does 50HPS and has no problem sustaining that without taking into account the pottential healing of res. Ana does 105 but assumes firing constantly and using grenade on cooldown on one target (Grenade is only 10HPS, 16HPS bonus from primary on average). Moira’s a little more complicated as it depends on her having juice, but with perfect healing orb placement she’s around 100 HPS while she has juice, but that absolutely can’t be sustained indefinitely. I think even with idealised circumstances her indefinite sustained healing will be more like 80HPS.
And to top it off Brig has the worst support ult now.
So no, she really doesn’t need her shield taken away…
Edit: forgot to take into account the bonus healing granted by Biotic Grenade.
I think this drastically underplays why brig does well against tracer and genji. Bash is way more consistent and consistency is very strong in this game.
Yes. And that it’s fairly consistent damage since she doesn’t aim for it.
This is not a meme. It’s the new direction for her as stated by blizz.
And the basis of the post is that without a shield, a rework would have much more wiggle room for her heals to be strong and consistent. You would not just, take like brigs shield away with nothing else done
I agree, and I am by no means saying Brigs stun is bad in any way I’m just saying that the potential value of Sleep dart is higher than Shield bash.
Reading through my last post It can be interpreted that I dislike brig or the direction Blizzard is taking her and that is not true, I actually really like the new brig and I think looking at her shield for any problems she is perceived to have is the wrong place to look
I hate it as it undermines imo her original intent. However, I think that there are ways to do things that best suits a goal. Some people are fine with a winding path. And I feel that suited old casual overwatch. But if you want to have a streamlined game, then goals have to be streamlined and the original intent has to take a backseat to what best suits the goal.
Which is literally how overwatch started. We aren’t in project Titan. If something is not working, then drop the weight that doesn’t serve the purpose.
A primary healer isn’t inherently in need of a shield. But they are in need of consistent access to healing. Brig is the only primary healer with the cooldown constraints of other primary healers, but also conditional constraints of off healers.
It doesn’t make sense. And I think that it’s fair to think that a highly available 200 hp shield plays a large part of her balance . Especially since they have said in the past, that even what appears to be trivial in overheals, is a large part of their balancing (symm 1.0).
So ultimately, I think every suggestion asking for a shield buff is inherently ignoring both what the devs currently say regarding balance, and the intent behind their goals for future balance. And you have to weigh that to what is best for a strong primary healer with Brigs identity.
Imo A shield, does not brig make. Protection , and stability did. A shield helped her engage but that’s not really her goal. Mace, armor, and bash are what help her hold. And holding space, is just as good as making it, especially in the new format of 222
Except it is a meme, regardless of where it started, regardless of intent, because in the game as is she can’t function as a main healer. In fairness it’s pretty questionable what she functions as at all.
Yeah as of live. She would need a full functional rework. Thus the premise of this post - take the shield out for a starting point.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. In short IMO any rework that involves removing her shield is functionally deleting Brig.
Edit: well done mucked up and edited over my post, but yeah pretty much sums up what I said anyway.
Considering that a whole new character goal is her direction, I would argue that’s the point. However, I believe she could potentially work just fine without a shield with the right balance and creativity. She still has armor bash and whip which are all very good points.
Remove all healers ability to defend themselves /s
I said nothing of the sort.
No the idea of her rework was to stop her being pretty much a frontline tank. They succeeded
The idea was to make her a primary healer. And judging by the replies in this thread, it appears I’m not alone in my conclusion that they failed
So shall we remove Zen’s discord? How about Mercy’s damage boost? Lucio’s speed boost? Baptiste’s immortality field? What about Ana’s anti nade or sleep dart?
We removed torbs armor
Symms ally shields
Symms auto lock beam
Scatter- which is still in his cinematic and his initial highlight intro
Torb still has his armor
Sym still provides a shield for her allies
Sym’s beam still powers up
The difference here is that healers are bad without utility. None of those are healers. They wanted brig to be primarily a healer. Not a primary healer. Brig doesn’t have the output to be a main healer.
Torb does not give armor. At all. And to say that it wasn’t a large part of him is on you. I certainly miss it as him and from him.
Same for symm. And no. She does not offer allies shields.
Something she had for 2 iterations.
It’s gone. And no one in the game has that kind of utility anymore.
Brig is the sole owner of base play overheal for allies.
They explicitly said they hoped her changes would make her more of a primary healer. Not much room to debate here dude.
Yeah. She needs a rework/ strong rebalancing . And I suggest you start by removing the aspect she doesn’t need to do her primary job.
Blocking isn’t needed to be done for a primary healer. But holding and making space is needed for a tank. A tanky support doesn’t need a shield just like not all tanks have a shield.
Remove her shield, and buff the rest of her kit. And it’s fine.
Plenty of room, because pre-rework Brig required a third healer to do the same output. No one should be expecting Brig to give the same output as Ana or Moira. No one should be expecting Brig to be a main healer. She remains an off healer, and off healers tend to be characterized by their utility.
Pre-rework brig was a tank support Hybrid. Now she’s more primarily of a support than a tank. She is not on the same level as Moira, Ana, or baptiste.
Except Brig isn’t tanky, at all. That’s irrefutable. She stopped being tanky with the rebalance.
But he still has his armor.
Literally her ultimate is offering her allies shields. Not shield health, but a literal shield.
Except it’s not. She’s a melee ranged hero with almost no sustain. How is she supposed to get into a range where she can hit things if she can’t stop herself from dying to begin with?
Her shield is garbage though?
Sure sure. Why dont we just copy paste mercys abilities right onto her. No need for any unique characters.
Being more primarily a support is debatable. Tanking is very useful and it was useful. That was her support in the same way that Zen offers dps. Zen offers dps utility. Brig tanking. And that’s fine. And she still does. But they want her healing to be her focus from her team which was not what occurred.
She is primarily healing. But she isn’t a primary healer. Her goal is to be ana, Moira , bapt and that didn’t do that. If you think what she needs is more shields to find value, I think it shows that they failed in the goal .
Hog is tanky while not having a shield. Same to Hammond. Disruption and threat are solid ways to hold space. As long as she has bash and whip, she still holds and can create space.
That’s not to his allies
There’s a big difference .I don’t consider rein to be like symm 1.0 because he has a shield and symm had 25 shields.
Over heal is out of the game from it’s orginal place. There’s a big difference from a potential of 100 extra health from two heroes at any given time for a max of 600 health added to a team, to up to 400 health bring on tracer from three heroes after Brigs ult
To 75 hp added to only three allies max on cooldown because brig is the sole owner of overheals.
She doesn’t. Just like hog doesn’t. He stays with his team, and his threat holds him and keeps enemies wary. This could and has worked with success on brig
Then losing it should be no big deal
I consider bash , whip, inspire, strong heals that don’t miss from a distance, and having the sole monopoly of overheals to be unique.
Shields are in many a place. Overheal tho… Not so much