Ashe can’t one shot any 200 hp hero unless she’s dmg boosted. And I dont think there should be any competition between hero that is good at close to mid range and hero that is good at mid to long range.
Since Hanzo strong point is close to mid range, then there’s no point of him having sniper like one shot capability.
Storm Arrows that can melt tanks, shields and easily kill any 200 hp hero. Aside from his primary fire one shot, he has this ability to destroy 200 hp heroes. He can also one shot with Sonic Arrow as well.
Do you play Hanzo often? SA is harder to land close and far away, it’s only useful mid range, and mostly to dump onto a barrier. I’d gladly lose arrows on it, if it meant getting arrow speed back.
How is it harder to land from close range, especially on tanks? Long range I would agree but from close range its not too difficult to land his arrows.
GalaxyMonkey: “Okay, so Hanzo is almost balanced, but he will be balanced if his ability to headshot is removed.”
-Blizzard removes Hanzo’s ability to headshot.-
GalaxyMonkey: "Okay, so this is good, but, I think it would be more balanced if Hanzo’s Storm Arrow only fired one arrow. Five arrows means he can still kill players instantly with one ability…
-Blizzard changes Storm Arrow to just a single arrow.-
GalaxyMonkey: “How about…”
Blizzard: “No!”
GalaxyMonkey: “But I was going to suggest…”
Blizzard: “Zip it.”
Blizzard could do exactly what you’d say and I guarantee you that you’d find something else about Hanzo to complain about.
Up close you are adjusting more to keep someone in your sights more as they move about and you move about, it’s a lot harder than you think to land more than 2-3 at a time into something not a shield or wall.
The combination of frustrating and frequent is what makes something bad design.
Hanzo headshots are frustrating and moderately frequent. Widow headshots are very frustrating and fairly frequent. Zen discord is very frustrating and literally constant.
Nanoblade is an apples to oranges comparison. Getting wiped by it is frustrating, maybe, but it sure as hell isn’t frequent compared to everything else.
The better question is, if he needs 2-4 shots and she needs 2-3 shots to kill and can do so easier at longer ranges, why play Hanzo at all?
If he is to stay a sniper, the absolute lowest they can lower his damage is 175 to still ohk Widow. If his Storm also got hit by that nerf, its damage would need to be buffed. And he would need a significant boost to his arrow speed that’s at least equal to how much damage he lost percentage-wise.
By itself, Storm requires 40% crit accuracy or 80% body accuracy to kill a 200-250 hp character. If used after a regular arrow, that’s 20% and 40% on a character most players probably until Masters struggle to hit 30% of their shots, roughly 10% are crits.
Pretending for a moment that his default and Storm were switched, how many characters can you name that have to be that accurate to be viable?
Projectiles heroes still have the spam potential into them by counting their own hitboxes and character hitboxes. You can include Kiriko’s Kunai spams, Zen’s Orb spams etc
With hitscan, you need to hit at the enemy to deal damage.
So basically you want a guy like me who puts hundreds of hours training to get good and look cool to not have value anymore.
One shot is what makes hanzo hanzo, without it he will be uncool garbage whatever buff you may give, stop ruining cool moments of the game with F tier bad takes.
There’s me training hours on end to do roof slide shots on pharah so that people on my team wont flame to go hitscan, you want to ruin all that cause its the flavor of the month to whine.
So you uncool people want to remove all this COOLNESS ?
It’s self explanatory. If his default was just you holding down the trigger to fire rapidly for 65 per shot and his Storm was switched with a single fire arrow for 120, comparing him to anyone else, how many characters need accuracy like that to be effective? Hit scan or projectile, ammo or infinite, how many need to land up to 80% of their shots to viable? No other character I can think of if firing with the same accuracy need to waste more than 40-60% of their ammo except maybe Tracer, but she reloads about as fast as she uses the ammo, so it’s fine.
The fact you’re asking that shows you didn’t even read most of that post. Most Hanzo players miss at least 70-80% of their shots. How effective do you think Storm will be for them if statistically speaking they’re going to miss at least 3-4 arrows per use? And considering how quickly it can be wasted on top of the fact it being full auto, that just makes it easier to use it wrong and miss.
Its possible he would be a better Cassidy or Ashe in that case or maybe better soldier if you increase his projectile speed.
If we switch the two, then I dont think the situation would be of 80% shots to be landed.
This would lower his skill floor and he will become a must pick just he was during OW11 S10 and S11.
Good Hanzos land most of their shots, in lower elo, people can get kills through spamming on the group of people or near the head region. If you’ve a accuracy of like 30 to 40%, its acceptable. If you’re asking which heroes need to have high amount of accuracy to be viable then I can say Widow or Cassidy. Without accuracy, you would not be doing anything with them.
Currently Hanzo is one of the best Dps in the game because he can perform well with Ana against Tanks so this does show that he isnt that bad as you’re trying to portray.
