Re: Hero Pools - restrictions on player choice have gotten out of control

They pretty much did when they started letting the loudest people screaming on the forums dictate what gets changed.

They’ve been phoning it in for a long time now.

Next month dev update:
“We feel that if heroes can only use “E” abilities,it will really shake up the metas.”

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Slippery slope arguments are a logical fallacy and only serve to devalue any credibility you have.

Wanna play one boring meta all over again? Wanna don’t switch one broken hero in my team all over again? You won’t anymore. Stop whining like a little kid and wait till this change drops live. I hate 2-2-2, but hero pools is great. And also, no hero limits lead to madness and one true meta. So please, don’t whine about that.

The point is i didnt try to include any credibility in that comment, good luck next time.
Hero pools are a bad idea tho, all effects can be already seen by anyone who knows how players behave in literally all online game.

-Que times increase because why you would play when the hero pool that week is horrible.
-Ranks will mix heavily, because until now you could be hard countered by certain heroes, now you just have to wait until those counters are unavailable.
-Below diamond people dont give a “thing” about the meta and so long as the roles are balanced(with 2-2-2 they are), nobody cares what heroes you play as long as u get results.

I wouldnt worry tho, i dont see this thing implemented on the long run,its suicidal on all aspect.

It would be funny if it wasn’t true, but it is.

Remember a while ago in an interview (regarding hero bans) they said that preventing someone from swapping to a hero that they felt was needed goes against the spirit of Overwatch?

Then shortly after we got forced 2/2/2, and now this. I know it’s just for OWL (according to what I’ve read), but aren’t there better ways of seeing heroes other than the same 10? Imagine if only they’d actually balance the game rather than come up with gimmicks that violate their morals.

Unless Blizzard will be regularly rotating bans on various meta heroes throughout each competitive system I don’t really see this being an effective system at all. You can just as easily blast your way through comp with a meta pick and just wait it out for the week while they’re banned and return to kicking everyone’s heads off again. It’s not like banning non-meta heros would do anything to change anything. It’d just be far easier to give each team a choice in bans instead of this needlessly roundabout solution.

OP, not to worry, most players don’t like to choose.

Maybe next Blizzard will decide, which specific hero everyone plays, so players don’t have to decide on hero picks at all.

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I do not think the reason is to getter people climbing on meta. I think the purpose is to make it less stagnant.

I think hero pools is very unnecessary, in fact some type of mainstream “hero bans” may be better…

All the community wanted was faster balance updates and a non-stagnant meta. The faster balance updates --especially now that they are going to be designed to target meta-- would’ve been more than enough to keep meta fresh every few weeks. This is why the hero pool addition is unnecessary and downright annoying.

The community never said they wanted no meta and restricted player choice. Hero pools, in addition to the faster meta-targetting balance, will create chaos rather than keep metas rolling.

Nobody wants heros that they like to play the most banned for weeks at a time from a game they love

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That’s right, you’re free choose what you want… As long as you play the heroes they want you to play, otherwise you’re throwing and will be reported.

It’s pretty much “national socialism” applied to a videogame. Remove role lock from QP, i don’t care about that trash competitive mode.

That’s how people and games mature. They learn what they are and what they need, and then add restrictions to their lives - studies, hobbies, work, marrige, children.

Except often those are outside restrictions. To fit in, to be like others.

Don’t worry, soon everyone will be forced to play Doomfist.

Jeff said + - this: “we don’t want anyone to say which hero you should choose”

Then create hero pool - ’
Bury the game once and for all …

Dev should be more concerned with creating new heroes and balancing the game.

If you want to place a pool of heroes, put only PRO COMPETITIVE.

Whats the difference between hero pools and hero bans decided by players? Oh… you want the freedom to decide what hero gets banned? Well… im pretty sure that would lead to certain metas by banning certain heroes that could counter that meta or ban a certain hero (widow/hanzo for example) every single game. The hero pools (de facto random hero bans) is the better solution here imho.

Hero pools targets stale metas that prevented us from playing who we wanted and winning anyways

Stop confusing it with hero bans. And it is competitive only. Don’t see the point in being against it.

The irony here is almost funny; you’re shouting into the void along with everyone else.

It’s not true, but you can interpret how they deal with feedback all you want. If they did, they’d have changed the game more often.

Every change will align with some whining; doesn’t mean it happened because of it. I don’t defend the devs often, but when I do it’s because I feel they’re making good changes that THEY find to be the right move.

Introducing hero pools (as there were presented) means adding RNG into a competitive professional league. By adding a banning system coaches and players can plan secondary strategies depending on what the other team bans.

What they pretend to do is totally out of the scope. It really seems like a desperate shoot trying to find our attention while they somewhat think about how to introduce hero ban system for OW2… It FeelsBadMan