Post Defense- Apparently needed

[N7Warrior-1327]

@Sky-13768

While I agree that you don’t always need sources or to be experienced, it certainly helps. When presented with something, you don’t want it to come from someone with no experience or with no proof. You want tests, confirmations, and the best of the best to bring that information to you.

i can only half agree here though. We don’t have stats. We don’t have solid sources for play. The best source we have are dev responses to intent or idea of what they are looking at.

If I say Jeff once responded “yeah, experimental will be a week” i can prove that. I can’t prove the extent to which sombra’s sr exploit was a thing because I don’t have the data for that.

@Sky-13768

The forums have honestly become a joke because people come all day spamming complaints about a hero because they personally feel like they are good.

I totally agree. But I also don’t think that’s on the forums either. We don’t have a lot of requirements. Nor a place for “meta grievance” or whatever.

general discussion is where half the posts go because the others are dead or not really hoppin.

@Sky-13768

Something I find annoying is that even if I present a full case, someone points out one insignifcant flaw/disagreement, and act as though that discredited everything I said. If everyone practiced defending their post with logic and reason, the forums would be much more civilized.

Well, I agree. Like I said, the standard seem to apply in the weirdest of places.

I linked my own posts here. Imagine writing both a essay for why i like brig, and and essay for why i don’t post-rework, and linking both, and STILL having people reply “I get it. you hated Goats”

9k+ of words… waste of time.

it’s not just the posters, it’s commentors. But ultimately, again, the merit of the posts aren’t really set in the logic.

@Sky-13768

we have troll threads and half-baked threads that lead to no-where

again, the only post i got a reply on was my half baked thread when experimental hit. I was planning an essay. It WAS being kind of formed in my initial discussion after posting:

@N7Warrior-1327

But… The experimental card is a new thing . This card is meant to be a long lasting addition. So… I think we need to ask these questions and not just…fantasize about what we want to see, so much as decide on how we want to do

My last reply before a blue response from the Biggest of Daddies was with sparkles… I’ve never used sparkles in my life. and this is when Big Papa gave me a serious reply that wasn’t about how “bribing us with edibles to work here won’t work. it’s already legal here in CA”… like… I was barely putting my brain cells together and then…

BAM. Blue reply.

The forums are like, comment cards. Everyone gets one. How you think, your experience/ credibility, your ideas are all equal on the little anonymous comment card.

we just have to abide by the platform as best we can. and there is some merit imo, to the emotional “scrreeeeee” comment.

For example: Imo I dont understand why the forums have “curse word” censorship for a game rated T… we HAVE some curse words, we have blood , and death, and smoking and war and violence… but apparently, the F bomb is too far.

I can’t really change that. the comment card will be destroyed. Because the platform is not organized to allow the comment card beyond it’s scope.

@VenusArmani-1354

People don’t just phrase their arguments as rants, but as requests that will effect everyone that plays the hero. And then they have the nerve to get upset when people who are either trying to be objective or play the hero, have a counterargument that puts more thought into it than their OP and tears it apart.

I think that’s another issue though. Like I said, I definitely know half the moira posts have NOTHING to do with her. And I do feel I “know” now that we had hero pools, and started looking into Non NA reports about plays.

but I also know that there is a pressure that your bias means “not valuable” so some people would rather deny a bias, and claim innocence.

I try my absolute best to be transparent. And it usually hurts more than it helps. Because I say “i don’t like a thing” and people project to “that means you want it dumpstered”.

I end up in this ad hominem argument after that because POOF all merit is gone because i have the integrity to say "no, I just don’t like that. "

we aren’t used to being able to say “i just don’t like that.” and i think it fuels the “x is broken, look at this one clip proving it always happens”