fall off on the shurikens, while no other projectile in this game has falloff. Not even mei anymore.
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I’d be fine with nerfing blade again if they bring back his double wall climb and animation cancels
Genji is still OP, and will be until deflect is nerfed. That ability doesn’t belong on a DPS character, it’s better than most Tank’s defensive abilities.
The ability also requires the enemy to shoot at it to net any value… and it’s his only defensive ability.
Apologies for a tad of sarcasm, I’m debating with people on another thread and this is the best I can do for right now 
Over tuned a tad yes, the biggest issue he has is how bloated his kit is. Mobility needs changes across the board, especially if it’s not allowed to have real counters. DF and Bridgette both did one thing that’s a sin with this game: reliably counter/stop Genji and/or Tracer.
I cannot defend Tracer due to lack of experience, but I’ll defend Genji. Excuse weakness of my points, I am a bit fatigued and have gotten into around 3-4 civilized debates about Genji in the past hour.
Winston can chase him down relentlessly and will kill him unless Genji is assisted
Symmetra can use her turrets to deny him space
Torbjorn can use his turret to deny him space/distract him
Moira soft counters him by her long-range soft locking beam.
As I have once said, a proper counter acts as a deterrent to a character, not a slaughterer.
Etc.
His kit is also not bloated, it is a balance design choice. Instead of a few powerful abilities (like pre-nerf Doomfist) he gets a lot of small, but decent abilities, which adds to his skill ceiling by opening up chain combos, timing, more ability management and more things to master.
Honestly I think he and Hanzo should have a resource of some form to use wall climb. Double jump really doesn’t fit well (I think the devs actually admitted it wasn’t their best idea) and claiming balance here is kind of pointless anyhow.
After 3 years he still has bugs from closed beta and no sign of real fixes in sight… Honestly maybe the game as a whole maybe needs a redo to some degree.
Well technically their wall climb DOES have a cooldown, they can’t just spam it since they have to hit the ground to use it again, it’s not a visible cooldown, but it’s there in a way.
Double Jump does work on Genji, sure the devs may have regretted it in the past, but they clearly have now changed their minds since they added Lunge, and the devs did also say that they can’t remove it because it’s such a major part of Genji’s playstyle and kit, its used so much to the point where if they took it out, the character would not feel whole, and many pros agree (I have asked some on Twitch myself).
And since the Devs have ALSO recently said that they do not intend to rework anyone’s kits for a VERY long time (first one would be Bastion they said) it does not seem like they still feel that way anymore.
Also, Double Jump isn’t all it’s spoken up to be, when he falls from his jump, it sets Genji in a predictable and easily followable path, allowing him to be easier to gun down. It also does not hide his head hitbox contrary to popular belief, it always stays at the top, no matter what.
If this still does not change your mind, I am not in the best state to get into a 5th debate, so for the sake of both our time and energy, can we kindly agree to disagree.
I really sad about the recent changes , i played so much doomfist and i practice him on the custom game for like 10 hours to learn his rollout and his weakness and strength and how to counter him and he’s not op at all he takes so much skills
Many people have no fun playing against Genji, by your own logic he should be nerfed.
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See, this post is just toxic. Regardless whether or not Genji is balanced, you decided to go ahead and say “They take no skill and aren’t fun to play against!” Which immediately means you don’t actually care about the balance at all and have no clue what you’re talking about, you just want to cater to your own fun in the game even if it’s at the expense of everyone else’s.
Genji could get buffed to be the most OP character in history and you’d still go “But he takes skill unlike X!”
So, A. Nothing if sun to play against, that’s a stupid point that should never even bother to be made. It’s purely an argument of “I got killed by this character and now rather than learn to play against them, I’m salty and want them nerfed till they’re too weak to fight back.” B. Brig and Doomfist both took plenty of skill to do well with. Granted you could play Brig in a more braindead way and just hold down your M1 and pop up your shield now and then, but you would fail. You play Brig with the same skills you use to play Reinhardt, just on a smaller scale. And Doomfist, the people saying it took no skill to play Doomfist, are the salty kids who stood completely still, ignored the giant screaming Nigerian man running their backlines, and then did nothing to stop them or help their teammates when they got combo’d.
Good job reminding us why Genji mains are the biggest whiners in this entire community though.
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He should not be nerfed because of that, fun is a subjective matter. I can have no fun being pistoled by a baby D.va or a Mercy, does that make it broken because I dont have fun? No.
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That was the point tho was that OP was claiming Doom and Brig deserved their nerfs partially because they were viewed as “unfun”.
Well in our defense, a lot of healer mains come here to complain about Genji unecessarily, I am merely here to just defend Genji and rebuttle arguments I don’t see fair.
Genji in his current state needs no buffs, and no nerfs, he is in a fine place, and has his niche.
I’d probably agree with you. But the way OP presented this is toxic and purely a “Don’t take away my fun, but don’t let anyone else have fun!” mentality.
Doomfist did need SOME nerfing, but he did not deserve the gutting he got.
Brigitte, debatable, maybe a 5 damage shield bash was a bit too harsh, but they could have buffed something else like maybe inspire on her team mates.
Doomfist is much harder to play than genji. The issue is that he’s also a lot harder to counter if he’s better.
The only true counter on that list against Genji is Winston.
If you want to see what true hard counters are, try playing as Wrecking Ball against a Sombra or Mei.
That’s a debatable topic, in his current state he may be harder, but before his nerfs he could consistently pick off 2-3 people before getting taken care of even in mid-tier ranks.
What made doomfist easier than Genji was that he used CC and stun-locks.
Also agreeable. Now just teach OP to speak without being a toxic little child about it.