Plat Chat discussing why people on ladder dislike Genji

Like someone else pointed out, they aren’t talking about smurfs but people who just stick to playing Genji even when he was bad and either stagnated or fell to a lower rank.

2 of them literally call him out on that and corrects him, while the 3rd is stuffing his face with food, so much for your echo chamber

Again a point that’s being discussed and questioned.

It helps if you have some basic listening comprehension when listening to a podcast.

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An echo chamber is an environment in which you will only encounter agreement. The forums are full of disagreement, they may or may not be a proper representation of the people who play the game, but they are not an echo chamber.

Most people are going to climb if the only hero they play’s power is increased significantly, 4 buffs were given to a middle of the pack DPS, while there are still complete actual throw picks on the roster that go ignored for huge periods of time.

It is easier to climb on an over tuned hero than it is on an average one. An average performing hero is one that’s balanced, they don’t need buffs - the heroes that are greatly out performing the average need looking at. Otherwise you end up with Powercreep.

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They literally mock Zen mains who’ve dropped because he fell out of favour… when the same thing will happen to Genjis.

There’s a whole meme about Boosted Support Mains, but somehow that doesn’t apply to Genji players?

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What? They are talking about Genjis who dropped for the same reason. Sure they joked about Zen but stop taking light hearted jokes so seriously…

They clearly dont look for balance. They look for what they enjoy watching and then argue in favor of their own bias even if it comes off as hypocritical.

Yeah, and I cannot think of a single hero who’s received buffs that suddenly became drastically that much harder to play against, other than maybe Bastion.

And these same people lost their stuff so much harder at Sombra buffs, which had nowhere near the same impact.

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I honestly don’t think the upvotes and views are accurate.

The buffs didn’t really change him in regards of how he plays, if you had trouble with Genji before you’ll have them now, there are some changes which I disagree with like cancelling deflect but he’s not harder to play against.

Bastion could tank other ults while just sitting their and spamming. The things that usually would kill him. That’s not what happened to Genji.

The reduced spread on RMB has changed a lot how I’ve observed him being played. His faster TTK obviously gives you less opportunity to fight back.

Bastion was still beatable though, it just made the game incredibly tedious while you unpicked it. You still get games like that when team mates just aren’t cooperating or coordinating, but those are the games where you’d solo ult him and losing that option obviously bad.

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He’s more aggressive but that’s how he used to play back when he was relevant which was like 20 seasons ago, the thing you talked about earlier already happened to Genji mains and it took way longer for him to actually be good in the midfight and not just be a blade bot.

Well Genji is still beatable so I guess we don’t need to change him if we are to follow you logic moving forward?

It did, and now it swung way too far the other way. Genji was not as bad as some other heroes are now, heroes that wouldn’t be considered for such strong buffs, and were harshly nerfed off the back of being deemed to be “overbuffed” even when their stats barely reached where Genji was.

Except Bastion was deemed necessary to change.

Forgive me if the memory’s failing me, but I don’t remember Genji being a hyper mobile tank buster back then. Both Hog and D.Va used to be more deadly during the first three seasons even and that didn’t stop Genji from being such a popular pick either.

Meanwhile Symmetra, Pharah, the controversial child Bastion, Reaper, Soldier, Junkrat and Torb still remain unoptimal, outdated and forgotten compared to other DPS heroes like Genji and McCree. The damage creep exists but is obviously not evenly distributed and these 4 straight buffs have just made the situation worse.

Who cares? Both are average at best lol. Mccree is STILL being played so much, and his winrate is absolute garbage, again. His winrate wasn’t even good when people were calling him “OP.”

For the record, I’ve never called McCree OP. Quite the opposite, I’ve often asked why people think he’s good and bother to play him, I just run into a wall of arrogant jerks who all think they’re XZI or something, when they’re very obviously not.

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I’m not saying that he isn’t overtuned, I’m saying that he isn’t OP. Too very different things. A very small nerf to his spread would be enough, not a full revert but something inbetween. However people are definitely overreacting to Genji as he is now.

Because Bastion was considered OP and not overtuned. When basic healing can keep something alive through ults, then something is wrong.

Your memory is definitely failing you on D.va. she was hot garbage until they changed DM to being resource based.

If you played rein and zarya Genji and the other flankers would still farm and kill you, the meta tanks when Dive was meta were Winston and D.va who both enable and make life hard for Genji

400 armor/200 HP & old damage per pellet D.Va was far from being garbage. She was nerfed for a reason (too much imo) but was deadlier in Seasons 2 and 3 (before and during the triple tank meta) than she is now - with nerfed gun damage, boop damage, stripped off armor and knockback resistance.

I bet that many people are wishing their forgotten heroes were nearly as good as Genji was during his most challenging metas.

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Genji, is, was, always has been awful to play against, of course they’re going to react badly. Same as they do Doomfist, Sombra, Wrecking Ball… etc.

There are a lot of Genji players to who that is part of the thrill, that they know this. They know people hate fighting him.

I’m not suggesting he needs a full revert, but his Deflect does 100% need that, along with some of the spread so he’s not a Tank buster anymore.

But even a full revert would not dumpster him, because he was never in the dumpster to start with.

I’m not sure his stats actually backed that up, I don’t really remember, I just remember it did feel infuriating to play into, and cheap as hell to play. I feel like it was more akin to the Reaper 50% heal situation, except taken seriously before it became a problem in OWL.

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