People Want Dive Meta Gone But Don't Want D.Va Nerfed

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Oh the irony. Because the 600HP tank that has more damage, mobility and defensive capabilities than most of the DPS definitely isn’t the reason for dive meta, right? Yeah, obviously Tracer and Genji are building the meta dude!!!

No.

It really is mind boggling that you think the dive meta is getting stale but won’t touch D.Va’s balance with a 10 foot pole.

“But D.Va’s balanced!!!” Yeah, no. Clearly you have your head down in platinum if you still think D.Va is perfectly balanced in GM/pro play. Roadhog and Zarya are leaps and bounds behind this hero.

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Sorry, new forum doesn’t get rid of the fact that Jeff himself said D.Va isn’t on their list.

He inconveniently seems to still be operating on the “Just because a hero has a super-high pickrate doesn’t mean they’re OP!” logic that people spent the first few months of dive programming into him back when they needed to sell the narrative that DM.Va was the sole cause of Dive Meta despite Winston having near-equal winrates and higher pickrates everywhere but the lowest levels of Comp prior to her rework.

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I think the forums still didn’t realize yet, that the initiators for the meta was the Winston buff and especially the Ananerf back then.
I see Deathball coming back sooner or later thanks to Moira.

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I think you’re confusing public opinion here with the dev’s balance process.

One does not necessarily affect the other, which is most likely the case when we look at D.va and her role in the ‘Dive Meta’.

Also, It doesn’t really help your case when you exaggerate your argument with nonsensical stuff like “more damage, mobility and defensive capabilities than most of the DPS”.

People also don’t actually know what Meta they want, all they do is complain about the one they have, which isn’t exactly helfpul feedback for the devs when it comes to making changes to facilitate a shift in the Meta.

I’m curious whether you guys would prefer to watch Reinhardt/Orisa slow push Meta, or a return to Quad Tank Meta. I doubt it somehow…

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You can nerf Dva and it wouldn’t kill dive anyway.

Would change Dva for Zarya to give the Winston a bubble which wouldn’t be as effective but still work.

There, you would ruin a character and still have basically the same freaking meta.

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Dive would still exist by Zarya giving Winston a… a bubble? Is this a joke, or…?

I mean, D.Va needs a pretty significant nerf to fall back into line with Roadhog and Zarya, and even then, dive would either remain meta with D.Va or dive meta would be erased completely. Zarya and Winston have little to no synergy.

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People would make anything work with Winston because HE works. If Dva stops working, they will bring out Zarya. If Zarya isn’t working, they will bring out Hog. You can literally nerf everything but Winston and still see dive happening as long as Winston remains effective at diving. Yet, if you make Winston ineffective at diving, he can’t even perform his sole role anymore and become trash.

And therin lies the problem.

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dive meta happened due to winston’s barrier buff. not only that d.va is prevalent because majority of the beam heroes (e.g. mei and symmetra) are in need of buffs

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nerf dva and youll just get tank death balls that dive

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zarya can easily get charged off a diving winston, and allow winston a crap ton of survivability. yes that may seem like little to no synergy but really what synergy does winston and dva have apart from them both having mobility? that’s like saying tracer and genji have synergy just cause they’re highly mobile heroes

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People don’t actually know what meta they even play in. It’s bizarre when you see people below masters or maybe diamond complaining about dive, when the pickrates of dive heroes are only average at best below the high ranks (except for D.Va, who is always top regardless of meta).

Complaints about meta really have to be taken with a pinch of salt.

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I don’t have an issue with dive meta personally. However, I just find it comical that the plat kids on these forums ask for genji and tracer to be nerfed to fix the “dive meta” completely ignoring the fact that D.Va is the one enabling the dive meta and these heroes.

Also, I was not exaggerating. D.Va really does have more mobility, damage and defensive capabilities than most DPS.

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People who want dive meta to go away just crave some Orisa, Reinhardt, Bastion action. Overwatch needs dive to counter all the degenerate strategies.

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Lets have Bastion shoot through defense matrix. :ok_hand:

There must be some hero that shoots too fast for D.va to manually delete all the bullets out of the air.

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Mobility is just generally OP in this game.

If you think about it, every problem revolves around too much mobility.

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Pick rate is not directly proportionate to win rate. Balance is not a popularity contest.

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she has got more challenging to play, and yea maybe for master and above shes op but thats not even 5% of the games players, with the reduction in time on her dm and the addition of rockets shes not as hard wearing in dive as she used to be, she can deal a tad more damage but shes also a lot more at risk now, the trade-off seems fair, not to mention you really need to know when to time her ult for good multi-kills unlike a certain green ninja who will get his swift strike back after an assist

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Hog+Orisa’s viability dropped drastically with the Mercy nerfs, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Also, Rein+Zarya isn’t even played on King’s Row in pro play, that says a lot about its viability. And buffing Zarya is a horrible solution. Ever heard of the term power creep? Off tanks would be way more OP than the other roles in the game.

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